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Old June 7th, 2018, 01:28 PM   #11
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is burning a campus to prevent an exchange of ideas respectful of the freedoms of the speaker?\
Modern liberalism isn't about the individual freedoms, they push victimhood or vilianiazation of the collective. (this is most seen in Gun control, take the rights of law abiding because an INDIVIDUAL violated the law, WHITE PRIVILAGE crap)
Labels mean nothing. TNV. That is my view. A persons character is of far more importance to me then how they choose to define themselves as, or let others categorize them.
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Liberalism requires a closed minded and intolerant view of anything that smacks of personal responsibility. Personal, rational thought is outweighed by the herd mentality.
And so does RW conservatism.

I don’t recall great cries of “Democrat in name only” from the Democrats, but that is the label (Republican in name Only - RINO) RWers stick on any Republican that deviates from the party line by even a hair. That is herd mentality for you.
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is burning a campus to prevent an exchange of ideas respectful of the freedoms of the speaker?\
Modern liberalism isn't about the individual freedoms, they push victimhood or vilianiazation of the collective. (this is most seen in Gun control, take the rights of law abiding because an INDIVIDUAL violated the law, WHITE PRIVILAGE crap)
I am a liberal and I have never done any such thing.

You are not describing liberalism - you are simply denigrating an ideology to which you do not adhere.
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Old June 7th, 2018, 01:37 PM   #14
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And so does RW conservatism.

I don’t recall great cries of “Democrat in name only” from the Democrats, but that is the label (Republican in name Only - RINO) RWers stick on any Republican that deviates from the party line by even a hair. That is herd mentality for you.
I havent been called a RINO yet!

D@mn.... Must - try - harder!!

I love liberals!

That ought to do the trick.
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My views have never been so easily encapsulated by a definition.

I am proud of who i am and not what others define me as.
I completely understand what you mean - and I have no quarrel with it.

However, I am a liberal - and I'm proud of that. Is there a rule that my political ideology must be complex? I believe in just about every liberal point of view - and even more crucial, am passionately against everything that the conservative point of view espouse.

There may be a little overlap here and there - but for the most part, I'm not that complicated.
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I completely understand what you mean - and I have no quarrel with it.

However, I am a liberal - and I'm proud of that. Is there a rule that my political ideology must be complex? I believe in just about every liberal point of view - and even more crucial, am passionately against everything that the conservative point of view espouse.

There may be a little overlap here and there - but for the most part, I'm not that complicated.
Your against everything conservatives espouse? I doubt that. I'll buy that your against social conservatism, especially the evangelical kind. Perhaps even half of the fiscal side of a conservative argument. But all of conservatism? There's nothing there that you agree with?
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I'll be honest - how often do you see me get involved in economics debates/arguments?

I'm far more interested in social/humane/civil rights issues and world affairs.

Frankly, the entire market thing is beyond me and if it weren't for my lawyer my portfolio would be nonexistent.
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con·serv·a·tive
kənˈsərvədiv/Submit
adjective
1.
holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
synonyms: traditionalist, traditional, conventional, orthodox, old-fashioned, dyed-in-the-wool, hidebound, unadventurous, set in one's ways; moderate, middle-of-the-road, buttoned-down; informalstick-in-the-mud
"our more conservative neighbors may object to the modern architecture being proposed"
noun
noun: conservative; plural noun: conservatives
1.
a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics.
synonyms: right-winger, reactionary, rightist, diehard; Republican; Tory
"liberals and conservatives have found common ground"
Now, look at the two definitions. Who "tends" to be more tolerant? People who are averse to change? People who are cautious about change? People who hold on to traditional values?
OR people who are open to new behavior and willing to discard traditional values? People who are concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge?

Which of the definitions leads to tolerance and which does not? This has nothing to do with opinion and everything to do with a statement of meaning. Who wants to debate that?

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is burning a campus to prevent an exchange of ideas respectful of the freedoms of the speaker?\
Modern liberalism isn't about the individual freedoms, they push victimhood or vilianiazation of the collective. (this is most seen in Gun control, take the rights of law abiding because an INDIVIDUAL violated the law, WHITE PRIVILAGE crap)
In my opinion, the current Democrats aren't liberals. Authentic liberals believe in free speech and God. Many democrats today don't. They're closer to communists with a dash of fascism.
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con·serv·a·tive
kənˈsərvədiv/Submit
adjective
1.
holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
synonyms: traditionalist, traditional, conventional, orthodox, old-fashioned, dyed-in-the-wool, hidebound, unadventurous, set in one's ways; moderate, middle-of-the-road, buttoned-down; informalstick-in-the-mud
"our more conservative neighbors may object to the modern architecture being proposed"
noun
noun: conservative; plural noun: conservatives
1.
a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics.
synonyms: right-winger, reactionary, rightist, diehard; Republican; Tory
"liberals and conservatives have found common ground"
Except what constantly floors me is that self-labelled American conservatives are far from conservative. They often accuse evil socialist of being the party of tax and spend. But they are proving again and again that they are the party of tax the rich way less and spend way more in spite of the fact that tinkle on has been proven to be wrong every time it has been tried.

And even worse, they have co opted conservativism to mean socially represive and theocratic policies.

Economically I am still probably 65-35 "conservative" but as I say, within the context of US politics I hate that label.
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