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Old June 7th, 2018, 02:05 PM   #21
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I havent been called a RINO yet!

D@mn.... Must - try - harder!!

I love liberals!

That ought to do the trick.
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Old June 7th, 2018, 02:06 PM   #22
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A person who simultaneously advocates for radical individualism, and radical egalitarianism.

Radical individualism being the exhuberant (and often jealous) exercising of personal freedoms without a sense of responsibility to human history, immutable principles, or the society around them. The individual tends more to emphasize personal *rights*, while neglecting personal *responsibilities.* When widely adopted, this leads to social/cultural decay.

Radical egalitarianism is the advocation of equality of *outcome* rather than equality of *opportunity* and, often unconsciously, seeks to persecute those who have achieved more than others with the hand they've been dealt. Thus the desire for the biggest kid on the block (government) to impose, whether by force of law or bullets, an elastic concept of "fairness" on achieving citizenry.

While, at their core, the two concepts are often at odds, they are emphasized at different times, which circumvents this conflict.

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Old June 7th, 2018, 02:08 PM   #23
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I'll be honest - how often do you see me get involved in economics debates/arguments?
I dont know about you, but ive observed both sides arguing over economics, sometimes in non economic threads. Especially when it comes to the validity of social programs, the affordability of civil rights issues and involvement with world affairs.

So, yeah.. I reckon you've been involved in a economical discussion unaware, especially where your interest lay.
The scope of it is way beyond the understanding for most of us, me included. I do get it! Economics is boring as shit to the more nitty gritty meaty stuff.

But, with that said... it cost a shit on of money too remain so visible in the world or to be involved in some form of justice of any kind. Hell... It cost money for anything to exist. Where is all this money coming from if its not all fiat money!?

Basically, Im just saying economics dominates our discussions far more than a lot of us realize.

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I'm far more interested in social/humane/civil rights issues and world affairs.


Frankly, the entire market thing is beyond me and if it weren't for my lawyer my portfolio would be nonexistent.
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I as a conservative, have seen what happens with the changes that Liberals want to make..

I as a conservative will listen to Liberals present their case, have and still do.

Liberals will burn campuses to prevent Conservatives presenting their Ideas. if you disagree liberals want you shut down totally.

That goes from Social issue, Government Issues, Climate change .... ....

Conservatives will attend speakers and during the Q&A they will debate the issue, Liberals will burn to prevent the speaker from saying a single word, much less willing to debate.
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I as a conservative, have seen what happens with the changes that Liberals want to make..
Me too. Like women getting the right to vote. Civil rights, and an end to Jim Crow laws. Women getting the right to make their own reproductive decisions. the repealing of drug laws, and the legalization of cannabis. The rights of two people who love eachother getting married. Did you know that black people and white people can get married to eachother? It's amazing.

But we still have work to do. To many conservatives still think they have the power to prevent a woman from controlling her own body. To many conservatives still think they have the right to prevent their sick children from getting modern medical care. To many conservatives still think they have a right to marry children.

If I had my way, those last two would be an automatic death sentence. But hey. I would give them a conservative choice. Hanging, or being burned at the stake. I mean in keeping with religious freedom and all.
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Me too. Like women getting the right to vote. Civil rights, and an end to Jim Crow laws. Women getting the right to make their own reproductive decisions. the repealing of drug laws, and the legalization of cannabis. The rights of two people who love eachother getting married. Did you know that black people and white people can get married to eachother? It's amazing.

But we still have work to do. To many conservatives still think they have the power to prevent a woman from controlling her own body. To many conservatives still think they have the right to prevent their sick children from getting modern medical care. To many conservatives still think they have a right to marry children.

If I had my way, those last two would be an automatic death sentence. But hey. I would give them a conservative choice. Hanging, or being burned at the stake. I mean in keeping with religious freedom and all.
I agree with much of your post, but abortion has nothing to do with a woman controlling her own body. There is a separate human being involved in a pregnancy. It always amazes me how people can claim to believe in science in one breath, then deny scientific fact in another. It just shows how powerful political indoctrination can be.
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Old June 7th, 2018, 02:36 PM   #26
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Liberalism requires a closed minded and intolerant view of anything that smacks of personal responsibility. Personal, rational thought is outweighed by the herd mentality.
Sound's like "baaaaa", you know, the noise sheep make...
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Except what constantly floors me is that self-labelled American conservatives are far from conservative. They often accuse evil socialist of being the party of tax and spend. But they are proving again and again that they are the party of tax the rich way less and spend way more in spite of the fact that tinkle on has been proven to be wrong every time it has been tried.

And even worse, they have co opted conservativism to mean socially represive and theocratic policies.

Economically I am still probably 65-35 "conservative" but as I say, within the context of US politics I hate that label.


The real shame is that most of us have a bit of this and a bit of that. I know that we aren't always honest with ourselves or aware of our faults. We THINK we are a certain type of person, but if our friends/family were honest with us they might describe us differently.
I'm a liberal but I'm also religious. I believe in prayer. I love my church so that doesn't sound like a liberal.
I'm a liberal but I love tradition. I like to count on certain "old customs--beliefs". I believe in traditional marriage, fiscal responsibility, moral judgment, strong loyal family ties, strong military, best care for veterans......etc. So I sound pretty conservative. But I'm not because I believe in choice more.

As an educator, I worked with thousands of families through the years--all different kinds of people from all over the world--all different religions--all different family structures--rich and very poor--brilliant and cognitively impaired--conventional to bizarre. For the most part I loved them all so I learned not to judge. Liberal.
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I agree with much of your post, but abortion has nothing to do with a woman controlling her own body. There is a separate human being involved in a pregnancy. It always amazes me how people can claim to believe in science in one breath, then deny scientific fact in another. It just shows how powerful political indoctrination can be.
That is not true, either science based or based on biblical teaching. Further, the SC disagrees with you.
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The real shame is that most of us have a bit of this and a bit of that. I know that we aren't always honest with ourselves or aware of our faults. We THINK we are a certain type of person, but if our friends/family were honest with us they might describe us differently.
I'm a liberal but I'm also religious. I believe in prayer. I love my church so that doesn't sound like a liberal.
I'm a liberal but I love tradition. I like to count on certain "old customs--beliefs". I believe in traditional marriage, fiscal responsibility, moral judgment, strong loyal family ties, strong military, best care for veterans......etc. So I sound pretty conservative. But I'm not because I believe in choice more.

As an educator, I worked with thousands of families through the years--all different kinds of people from all over the world--all different religions--all different family structures--rich and very poor--brilliant and cognitively impaired--conventional to bizarre. For the most part I loved them all so I learned not to judge. Liberal.
You're a traditional liberal, authentic. We can get along and make America better. Most of the current dick wads calling themselves "liberal" are pawns of radical America hating leftists that want to tear down traditional America.
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I agree with much of your post, but abortion has nothing to do with a woman controlling her own body. There is a separate human being involved in a pregnancy. It always amazes me how people can claim to believe in science in one breath, then deny scientific fact in another. It just shows how powerful political indoctrination can be.
It always amazes me how somebody can be so sure they have the absolute answer to something that nobody else on earth has.

It just shows how blind arrogance and presumed superiority can be.
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