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Old August 22nd, 2017, 05:33 PM   #111
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Shut your mouth, corporate shill. Of course if you took those peoples vast wealth and distributed it to less privelaged people it would improve the world by putting everyone on an equal playing field. That fact that you believe differently shows how dumb you are.

Socialism doesn't aim to make the world completely equal in every aspect- it aims to put all types of people on equal playing fields. Capitalism openly encourages an unequal, hurtful society claiming it as something virtuous. Is that not the bigger evil?

Is your property not being taken already through taxes? There isn't much difference in truth. It may be arrogant but that doesn't mean it's not right. What? Do you think you just "earn" your property all by yourself? Your livelihood is dependent upon everyone else around you. Do you think you are just going to have things without a direct action from others? You only have the money to buy commodities because someone else needed the work or production you produced. You don't think that you are the only one to blame for your wealth or poverty do you? That's why people don't simply "need to work harder" to achieve wealth; only a child could believe something so juvenile.

I advocate the smart allocation of resources on a national and eventually global scale based on the real needs of human beings, not the sway of an "invisible hand" that is subject to the corruption of fat cats and the impulsive purchases of a general populace hell bent on materialistic wastefulness.
In other words if you make a lot of money, you must be evil. You're an IDIOT!
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 10:02 PM   #112
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The funny thing is Canada allows research with fetal T-cells, unlike the US. If she didn't get treatment here, it was because it was some unapproved, unsuccessful load of crap by for profit medicine.

And Venezuela's situation has nothing to do with socialism, it is entirely due to stupidity of its leaders.

How come Scandinavia and most of Europe isn't a basket case?

And let me repeat another poster on this board in a different thread, if single payer is so bad, why is it there has never been a serious attempt to repeal it in any country it is being used in?


Venezuela is a socialist nation. No matter how much you guys want to pretend that it is not does not change the facts.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 07:42 AM   #113
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The funny thing is Canada allows research with fetal T-cells, unlike the US. If she didn't get treatment here, it was because it was some unapproved, unsuccessful load of crap by for profit medicine.

And Venezuela's situation has nothing to do with socialism, it is entirely due to stupidity of its leaders.

How come Scandinavia and most of Europe isn't a basket case?

And let me repeat another poster on this board in a different thread, if single payer is so bad, why is it there has never been a serious attempt to repeal it in any country it is being used in?
There are no successful,useful or approved medical therapies derived from the use of fetal stem cells, none.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 09:17 AM   #114
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There are no successful,useful or approved medical therapies derived from the use of fetal stem cells, none.
Given how powerful the fundie menace is, and how successful it has been in squashing valuable research, it's not surprising. But to be accurate, you need to add a "yet" to your sentence.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 12:21 PM   #116
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Cut the bullshit! Venezuela is a social democratic state since Chavez...no different than the Euro social democrats! The economy in Venezuela is/and always has been run by capitalists and subject to the same trade and international monetary forces as every other capitalist nation subject to IMF and WTO controls.

What's different is that Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution" took the bulk of the profits being earned by Venezuela from oil exports and diverted that money away from the wealthy oligarchs towards the impoverished majority...especially the indigenous majority! That's what made Chavez popular and even a CIA-engineered coup couldn't dislodge him from power to get the US-approved leadership back in control. Worth noting that in spite of the collapse in oil revenues, a capitalist pro-opposition TV and radio and imposing (for no goddammed reason) of US sanctions, Maduro's party still won back a governing majority in the latest legislative elections. They know the opposition will do nothing to improve their lot...except perhaps end sanctions!

Maduro's problems today stem more from NOT being a real socialist nation than bullshit claims in rightwing sources today, because the Venezuelan economy and government was dependent on the revenues coming in from oil, and like virtually every other petrostate in the world, oil exports depressed the development of industry and non-oil development, leading to the dependency on imports.

If Venezuela was a communist nation like Cuba, they could have instituted through five year plans, the process of diversifying the economy and ending dependence on foreign imports regardless of whether they exported oil or not.
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Cut the bullshit! Venezuela is a social democratic state since Chavez...no different than the Euro social democrats! The economy in Venezuela is/and always has been run by capitalists and subject to the same trade and international monetary forces as every other capitalist nation subject to IMF and WTO controls.

What's different is that Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution" took the bulk of the profits being earned by Venezuela from oil exports and diverted that money away from the wealthy oligarchs towards the impoverished majority...especially the indigenous majority! That's what made Chavez popular and even a CIA-engineered coup couldn't dislodge him from power to get the US-approved leadership back in control. Worth noting that in spite of the collapse in oil revenues, a capitalist pro-opposition TV and radio and imposing (for no goddammed reason) of US sanctions, Maduro's party still won back a governing majority in the latest legislative elections. They know the opposition will do nothing to improve their lot...except perhaps end sanctions!

Maduro's problems today stem more from NOT being a real socialist nation than bullshit claims in rightwing sources today, because the Venezuelan economy and government was dependent on the revenues coming in from oil, and like virtually every other petrostate in the world, oil exports depressed the development of industry and non-oil development, leading to the dependency on imports.

If Venezuela was a communist nation like Cuba, they could have instituted through five year plans, the process of diversifying the economy and ending dependence on foreign imports regardless of whether they exported oil or not.
No. Venezuela's problems are not due to capitalism or due to socialism. Venezuela's problems are due to the fact that Chavez was dumber than a bag of hammer handles and Maduro is even more dumb. That simple.

Said another way, since the stupid Republicans can't seem to figure out, and the Republican President even more so, spending money you don't have is just bad. No matter that through your rose colored glasses you fool yourself into believing it will magically appear sometime in the future it is still the road to abysmal suffering.

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a common truism is:

socialism works until you run out of other people's money.

which is true enough, but only hints at the depth of the evil socialism represents. deciding that you can make life fair is delusional. deciding you know better what someone else should do with their money is arrogant. taking someone else's property? come on, ya gotta know that just ain't right.

If you got up this morning and thought if we took all the wealth of bill gates, warren buffet and mark zuckerberg and divided it up among all the people, that would somehow improve the world.......that's just really really dumb.
Not a truism at all. Actually it's just another brain dead right wing bumper sticker meme.

And your narrative on what socialism is just plain bullshit.

And Gates and Buffet both agree they should be taxed more to create a system that is more fair.

And Norway who the orange assclown invited more immigrants from turned him down. They live in a socialist country, where they have bullet train transportation, free higher education, healthcare provided for everyone, a better infrastructure, and overall happier people.

Why would they want to come to this shithole of a country?
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Old January 12th, 2018, 12:56 PM   #119
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No. Venezuela's problems are not due to capitalism or due to socialism. Venezuela's problems are due to the fact that Chavez was dumber than a bag of hammer handles and Maduro is even more dumb. That simple.

Said another way, since the stupid Republicans can't seem to figure out, and the Republican President even more so, spending money you don't have is just bad. No matter that through your rose colored glasses you fool yourself into believing it will magically appear sometime in the future it is still the road to abysmal suffering.
How is that different than Saudi Arabia, Gulf emirates or any other petrostate dependent on oil exports for revenue? If Chavez was so dumb, how did he earn such massive support? One clear reason was he was the rare example of a military officer who refused to take orders from the US or their Venezuelan proxies.

Before Chavez got there, the money went to the top and everything that did not get siphoned off to US and international banks was taken by the rich.

None of these issues is about Democrat vs Republican because US foreign policy is almost identical from one presidential regime to the next. This would be a prime example because the attempted CIA coup against Chavez early on in the Bush Administration was actually approved and planned out before Bill Clinton left office!

It's the same bullshit hypocrisy from the Dems regarding what Trump said about Haiti and Africans, cause Trump gets called for using bad language to describe them, while it was Clinton who demanded Aristide be removed from Haiti for not following through on America's scheme of "free trade," and Obama started the Africa Command back in 2010, which has set up this system of regime changes and proxy armies used to exploit mineral and other resources in Africa today...following the same example as Latin American and Asian policy! Now I'm drifting again, so I'll leave it there!
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a common truism is:

socialism works until you run out of other people's money.

which is true enough, but only hints at the depth of the evil socialism represents. deciding that you can make life fair is delusional. deciding you know better what someone else should do with their money is arrogant. taking someone else's property? come on, ya gotta know that just ain't right.

If you got up this morning and thought if we took all the wealth of bill gates, warren buffet and mark zuckerberg and divided it up among all the people, that would somehow improve the world.......that's just really really dumb.
Are you arguing for a tax-free nation with no publically owned services or infrastructure? Something closer to anarchy than civilization?

What is your understanding of evil? Is this one of those supernatural powers Christians believe in?
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