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Old January 12th, 2018, 03:56 PM   #131
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Cuba: Reference Point For Social Progress - The Havana Reporter, your news source


Not bad for a country that is kept poor by the US committing economic warfare. One might wonder where Cuba would rate if the economic warfare would stop?
Exactly! Cuba has been under seige since 1960 and even this year, after Hurricane Irma, the sanctions were never lifted off Cuba. But they still perservere anyway, and have had the most successful recovery of any of the storm-hit islands in the Caribbean. Interesting to note that the worst trainwreck in the Caribbean happens to be the US colony of Puerto Rico!

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How many nations can claim that?

The social progress of Cuba is amazing and one reason for this is the investment in education. When US capitalist were in charge, things were very bad.

Why Cuba is an education success story and what it can teach Africa
It also buries that market BS we hear all the time about how competition is necessary and a state-run economy has to be inefficient and subpar compared to the magic of capitalist incentives. They never get around to explaining how giant iinternational corporations like Walmart can so efficiently run stores and manage inventory, pricing and product flows around the world. Too bad Walmart's efficiency is geared towards enriching the elites that own the bulk of their public and private shares!
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Old January 12th, 2018, 04:01 PM   #132
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The same reason you dont think that north Korea is a socialist paradise
BUT, they got no government!
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Old January 12th, 2018, 04:10 PM   #133
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Saudi Arabia's national debt has exploded since the oil crash
Saudi Arabia National Debt Budget 2017 report - Business Insider

No nation on Earth has ever had as much oil as Saudi Arabia...and as much oil that was as easy and profitable to develop...if you want to talk about squandering underground resources!

On the other hand, most of Venezuela's oil is and always has been heavy oil, which contains valuable byproducts, but is a less lucrative product. So, it should be plain and obvious that you can't make blanket comparisons from one oil producer to another. All SA and Venzuela have in common today is that they are both running out of oil, and the easy money will not come in much longer....same goes for other oil producers today. The Oil "Curse" applies wherever oil development and export has become the dominant industry.

It didn't get worse for the vast army of poor people in Venezuela...so stop bullshitting this story! Chavez and his successor diverted money to the poor BUT did not make structural changes to the economy! That is the litmus test of whether someone is an actual socialist or a liberal or social democrat capitalist!


Were you smoking something when you posted this?



Whenever I come across busy online advocates for revolution in Venezuela, they have some financial interest if they have no family from there, and they keep recycling the same crap about Chavez that's neither here nor there.
That is a wonderful collection of false facts. Venezuela has lots of conventional oil. And their heavy oil is just a little more viscous, nothing like the Canadian heavy oil reservoirs.

And the grocery stores weren't empty till Chavez squandered the money. So no, all his handouts to the poor ended up hurting them more than others.

And given his diabolical success at becoming the de facto dictator of Venezuela should have made making structural changes easy-peasy. But shades of the Republican President, all he made was excuses for his own stupidity.

Get a grip.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 05:25 AM   #134
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So why aren't Saudi and the Gulf states suffering Zimbabwe-like inflation, defaulting on their debt and have their citizens starving if they are the same economies?

Why is it that Chavez stopped the money from going to the top and being siphoned of to the US and international banks but things kept getting worse?

Because he did things really, really stupid. He just gave money away to those he felt needed it. The fact that he didn't have it didn't bother him at all. Just like the Republicans in the US though they send the money up rather than down.

Chavez ruined that country when he had a beautiful chance to improve it. Why was he so popular? Because he kept promising goodies and delivering when he had no way of doing so. But by then the people were also buying his lies that it was primarily US sabotage hurting their economy.

Another pair of liars.
Okay here is a blatant example of government controlled media. Social measures in Cuba are high. The economy is not because the US is committing economic warfare against Cuba, the same thing that caused the USSR economy to collapse and the number one weapon against Korea.

Perhaps we should have a thread for economic warfare and raise awareness of the harm this does. We might also talk about the CIA and how it was used to start rebellions and why Iran went from being friendly with the US to an enemy of the US.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 05:30 AM   #135
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My hand is raised! Question!!? They hate socialism--SO EVIL--but love Vlad Putin?? Adore Russia? Have nothing bad to say about Syria's Assad regime?

I must be confused.
I have also noticed we are now importing products from Vietnam, and so far the products I bought are much better than products from China. I have no idea why the quality is so much better? Is Veitnam now a capitalist nation?
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Human history is the history of class struggles. Capitalism is at bay in the United States, and we have the choice of destroying it or dying out as a species. I wouldn't put money on the outcome, but do wish, out of a sense of human dignity, that the absurd system wasn't represented by a degenerate like Trump.
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Exactly! Cuba has been under seige since 1960 and even this year, after Hurricane Irma, the sanctions were never lifted off Cuba. But they still perservere anyway, and have had the most successful recovery of any of the storm-hit islands in the Caribbean. Interesting to note that the worst trainwreck in the Caribbean happens to be the US colony of Puerto Rico!


It also buries that market BS we hear all the time about how competition is necessary and a state-run economy has to be inefficient and subpar compared to the magic of capitalist incentives. They never get around to explaining how giant iinternational corporations like Walmart can so efficiently run stores and manage inventory, pricing and product flows around the world. Too bad Walmart's efficiency is geared towards enriching the elites that own the bulk of their public and private shares!
Now we may have a disagreement? I am not sure and I hate to disagree with people I like, but- if I began a company I would want it in my control. Actually I did have my own small company. I am not a great business person, but I totally love working for myself, rather for someone else. This may not be so if a the employer used the democratic model. Then I might love letting someone else handle management because of the aspects of running a business I do not like.

I am in favor of the democratic model for industry and I believe in high tech industry where creativity is very important, there is a leaning towards the democratic model.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 05:49 AM   #138
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You are.
Did you stop at making a smart alack comment because that is the best you can do or to be funny?
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Has the word "evil" been defined yet? I think when someone uses that word as it was used in the OP we need to insist on a definition to get reactionary people to think about what they think and create awareness how the word is used to get unthinking followers to follow. If we are going to defend truth, we must raise awareness of the mind control that is being practiced and what the word "evil" has to do with unthinking following.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 08:56 AM   #140
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I have also noticed we are now importing products from Vietnam, and so far the products I bought are much better than products from China. I have no idea why the quality is so much better? Is Veitnam now a capitalist nation?
Yes it is! And thanks to industrialization and factory farming...along with rising sea levels, the Mekong Delta will be lost as a major world food producing zone within the next 20 years! Like China, they have a capitalism managed and run by the Communist Party. Just one more nail in the coffin of HW Bush's argument way back when that free trade capitalism promotes democracy!
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