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Old June 15th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #41
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FTR one big problem is that what we currently call capitalism is far, far from free enterprise, the ideal system IMO. The big problem as I see it is that free enterprise will never be possible because of two factors. Greed/power lust and capital requirements of huge projects. Those two factors make cabals and monopolies not only inevitable, but sometimes necessary.

Thus we must compromise and reduce the freedom of the free enterprise with some government regulation, and thus the fucking crooked politicians make laws favorable to the fucking banks and large corporations because they are bought and paid for and on it goes.

Probably still better than any socialist system where the unproductive can steal the fruits of my efforts and where the deciders become way more equal than the rest of us.
If you could not equate socialism with a few failed Stalinist states I history I'd greatly appreciate that.

Also, what makes you think you people think that Socialism always breeds less productivity? I've never understood such a misguided idea.
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If you could not equate socialism with a few failed Stalinist states I history I'd greatly appreciate that.

Also, what makes you think you people think that Socialism always breeds less productivity? I've never understood such a misguided idea.
First, I totally reject your re-run of Obama's whole "You didn't build that" crap.

Secondly, list me long term successful socialist states and why they "succeeded" while the majority are wallowing in the economic shithouse.
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First, I totally reject your re-run of Obama's whole "You didn't build that" crap.

Secondly, list me long term successful socialist states and why they "succeeded" while the majority are wallowing in the economic shithouse.
I don't know. There haven't been a lot of truly socialist states in our species history, and the relatively few that have haven't worked out as well as hoped.

Also, how come you reject the fact that you are economically dependent on everyone else around you? Are you sure that you can grow wealthy without a direct relationship to another within the economic ecosystem? If you are I would love to hear how to do so.
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First, I totally reject your re-run of Obama's whole "You didn't build that" crap.

Secondly, list me long term successful socialist states and why they "succeeded" while the majority are wallowing in the economic shithouse.
Socialism always fails because the elite animals become (More equal than other animals)

Then they run out of other people's money to spend.
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I don't know. There haven't been a lot of truly socialist states in our species history, and the relatively few that have haven't worked out as well as hoped.

Also, how come you reject the fact that you are economically dependent on everyone else around you? Are you sure that you can grow wealthy without a direct relationship to another within the economic ecosystem? If you are I would love to hear how to do so.
Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged?
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The following is the list of alleged Communist goals contained in The Naked Communist


U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

Do away with all loyalty oaths.

Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Gain control of all student newspapers.

Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

Control art critics and directors of art museums.

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity, masturbation and easy divorce.

Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.

Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

Internationalize the Panama Canal.

Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

The Naked Communist is a 1958 book by W. Cleon Skousen.

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I don't know. There haven't been a lot of truly socialist states in our species history, and the relatively few that have haven't worked out as well as hoped.

Also, how come you reject the fact that you are economically dependent on everyone else around you? Are you sure that you can grow wealthy without a direct relationship to another within the economic ecosystem? If you are I would love to hear how to do so.
No, you are only economically dependent ON THE PRODUCTIVE people around you..

Only the productive have the means to purchase your goods or services, or to have their wealth redistributed to allow the non productive to purchase your goods or services.


you need the productive earning a wage to purchase the goods, and to build the goods and deliver the services.


If someone does not produce, they ARE DEPENDENT ON THE PRODUCTIVE..

and when the balance of Productive non-productive see-saw tips the money to support the non productive disappears.
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The following is the list of alleged Communist goals contained in The Naked Communist
Good post, very informative.
As usual, it comes from one of our fine CONSERVATIVE members who overall refuse to wallow in ignorance and seek the truth.
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No, you are only economically dependent ON THE PRODUCTIVE people around you..

Only the productive have the means to purchase your goods or services, or to have their wealth redistributed to allow the non productive to purchase your goods or services.


you need the productive earning a wage to purchase the goods, and to build the goods and deliver the services.


If someone does not produce, they ARE DEPENDENT ON THE PRODUCTIVE..

and when the balance of Productive non-productive see-saw tips the money to support the non productive disappears.
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Explaining why there are no Fruit Loops for breakfast in a Worker's Paradise.
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Here's the unaddressed problem: human nature.

One thing the Bible gets right, human beings do indeed have a tendency to "sin," i.e. do the wrong thing. Put some power into a human's hands, and the odds of him or her doing the wrong thing begin to escalate.

"Fix" human nature, and socialism would work, as would capitalism or communism. Education helps to "fix" human nature, but it's far from 100 percent effective, is a decades-long process, and as the news confirms repeatedly all it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bushel.

The enemy of Liberty and Freedom isn't capitalism. It's the world banking cartel and its system of fractional banking which gives it total control over both business and government, and ultimately, people.
...I really wish you would stop plagiarizing my thoughts...
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