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Old June 16th, 2014, 12:07 PM   #61
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I have no idea who would be the ones to help promote such a change. That often is the case in such a change in society- people make themselves known in that regard through their actions and their intent. I'd like to think that I could help in that regard, because I genuinely have the best of intentions and I think I have the skill to help do so, but that is besides the point.

There would be no "neutralizing the opposition" or use of force to combat ideas. That is not my idea of bettering humanity, it is the anti-thesis to my argument, and it is why even people with the best intentions have failed in the past in this exact kind of situation. I will make my argument through my actions and my words. I would see to it a system that betters humanity without sacrificing people's wishes (because that would be a contradiction, wouldn't it?) is in place, let that grow and mature, and continue to advocate to the international audience benevolence towards other human beings and how we accomplish that. In time, I'd hope to see people, not necissarily signifying governments or citizenry, but people, come to give it a shot and see how much better it is when you foster altruism and humanism in every aspect of a society. There would be no bombings of deserts who disagree with us, there would be no suit and tie political games, keyword riddled speeches, deceit of the public for their supposed benefit, secret implementation of goals counter to the benefit of humanity, ect. A system like simply wouldn't allow it.

If they truly still want no part of it then all I can do is pray that someday they will change their minds.
One of my favorite groups put it like this in 1967....

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Old June 17th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #62
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Is it really that obscure? I'm sure everyone can name at least three flailing socialism, past and present, right off the top of their head.

Were they started with good intentions? Who's to say? All I'm saying is the idea of Socialism is more than just Stalinism, it's more than the way it's been implemented in history. With a different approach, one that really hasn't been tried before, I think it can help.
There is socialism which is made up of Community not government. (this eventually fails becaue the community that you join on volunteer basis becomes a government that makes it manditory).

Once it becomes a government it becomes a totalitarian in nature..
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Old June 17th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #63
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Shut your mouth, corporate shill. Of course if you took those peoples vast wealth and distributed it to less privelaged people it would improve the world by putting everyone on an equal playing field. That fact that you believe differently shows how dumb you are.
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Nobody was talking about just you, you pig headed narcissist. "You" denoted society, all people.

Ironic that you talk about propaganda and Kool aid when you've never demonstrated how Socialism will fail us.
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If they truly still want no part of it then all I can do is pray that someday they will change their minds.
You pray?
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1) 50.01% to 49.99% is an absurdly improbable occurance, one which would likely happen never. Acknowledging that it is hypothetical;

>>> Except for Bush/Gore...right???

2) Within any democratic, fair means of of decision making, sometimes you loose out, and that's okay. You can't have everything your way 100% of the time, that's just silly. In any group setting, collaboration is key. If you loose out in a show-of-hands situation, simply pouting and refusing to go forward the plan everyone decided together because you didn't your way is so childish. That's not to say you have to like what's being done, but in a democratic system your expected to collaborate with everyone within reason whether you win, loose or tie.

>>> So...if the majority wants to bankrupt the country...you should go with it???

3) Even so, who's to say there can't be compromise on both sides? Nothing is truly an all or nothing, black and white solution. If 90% of the group says yes and 10% say no, then it's within reason to assume that implementation might be a little bit different than say if 60% said yes and 40% said no.

>>> Just sign it and read it later???

4) The idea that, economically speaking, someone is completely financially independent of others is silly. What you "own" is likely dependent upon the actions of people who don't agree with you on any number of issues, so to say that "these are my resources, they aren't going to anything I don't approve of" not only doesn't work within a system where everyone is dependent upon each other, but it doesn't even exist right now.

>>>I have no idea what this means...
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a common truism is:

socialism works until you run out of other people's money.
Exactly! FUCK SOCIALISM, IF YOU DON'T PERSONALLY PAY FOR IT, FUCK IT, DON'T USE IT!!!

You must hate socialist public roads and highways!

You must hate socialist public schools!

You must hate socialist public police and fire departments!

You must hate our socialist military!
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Old June 17th, 2014, 05:10 AM   #66
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Exactly! FUCK SOCIALISM, IF YOU DON'T PERSONALLY PAY FOR IT, FUCK IT, DON'T USE IT!!!

You must hate socialist public roads and highways!

You must hate socialist public schools!

You must hate socialist public police and fire departments!

You must hate our socialist military!
Collecting tax money and then funding things that benefit the public as a whole is not Socialism.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 05:14 AM   #67
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compromise with socialism?

socialism never compromises, the connive, they wheedle, they corrupt, they grow, and grow. never retreat , never admit they're wrong, even after economies are destroyed, freedom is a fading memory and millions have died.
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Collecting tax money and then funding things that benefit the public as a whole is not Socialism.
What is it?
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Old June 17th, 2014, 05:38 AM   #69
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What is it?
It's spending tax money on projects that benefit society as a whole. What do you think Socialism is? You think public spending is Socialism? I know some fringe wacko Libertarians who won't even go that far.
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socialism is a committee or somebody comes into your life and decides what you have too much of and takes it.

socialism is sold by appealing to envy and implemented by theft.
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