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Old June 17th, 2014, 07:16 AM   #71
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Exactly! FUCK SOCIALISM, IF YOU DON'T PERSONALLY PAY FOR IT, FUCK IT, DON'T USE IT!!!

You must hate socialist public roads and highways!

You must hate socialist public schools!

You must hate socialist public police and fire departments!

You must hate our socialist military!
As Bill states, this is not socialism.
I love when some commie punk throws this sort of ignorant rhetoric out there for all to see, then his friends agree, adding to the comedy of errors.
How can you take these people seriously when they don't even know the definition of the ideology they support?
We really are in deep trouble when your average person is this clueless and ignorant yet allowed to vote.
We really do need to shut them down and ignore their screaming like any other two year old having a temper tantrum.
We need to change voter eligibility rules and stop government workers and those who live on government handouts from voting.
Seriously.
NOW!
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:04 AM   #72
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socialism is a committee or somebody comes into your life and decides what you have too much of and takes it.

socialism is sold by appealing to envy and implemented by theft.
Wow, you really are dense. Socialism doesn't talk about the means of collectivizing resources to use for the general public, it only talks about the very act OF collectivizing resources to use for the public benefit.

You can certainly achieve that by in a Stalinistic, forceful nature, but I don't see the promotion of that by anyone on here as far as I'm aware.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:06 AM   #73
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As Bill states, this is not socialism.
I love when some commie punk throws this sort of ignorant rhetoric out there for all to see, then his friends agree, adding to the comedy of errors.
How can you take these people seriously when they don't even know the definition of the ideology they support?
We really are in deep trouble when your average person is this clueless and ignorant yet allowed to vote.
We really do need to shut them down and ignore their screaming like any other two year old having a temper tantrum.
We need to change voter eligibility rules and stop government workers and those who live on government handouts from voting.
Seriously.
NOW!


Silence the opposition, treat them as sub humans, and consider ourselves to be the only valid ideology.

I'm sorry, who was it again who was afraid of government tyranny?
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:08 AM   #74
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Collecting tax money and then funding things that benefit the public as a whole is not Socialism.
Um....what?
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:12 AM   #75
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As Bill states, this is not socialism.
I love when some commie punk throws this sort of ignorant rhetoric out there for all to see, then his friends agree, adding to the comedy of errors.
How can you take these people seriously when they don't even know the definition of the ideology they support?
We really are in deep trouble when your average person is this clueless and ignorant yet allowed to vote.
We really do need to shut them down and ignore their screaming like any other two year old having a temper tantrum.
We need to change voter eligibility rules and stop government workers and those who live on government handouts from voting.
Seriously.
NOW!

When do your stand up tickets go on sale?
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:17 AM   #76
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1) 50.01% to 49.99% is an absurdly improbable occurance, one which would likely happen never. Acknowledging that it is hypothetical;

>>> Except for Bush/Gore...right???

2) Within any democratic, fair means of of decision making, sometimes you loose out, and that's okay. You can't have everything your way 100% of the time, that's just silly. In any group setting, collaboration is key. If you loose out in a show-of-hands situation, simply pouting and refusing to go forward the plan everyone decided together because you didn't your way is so childish. That's not to say you have to like what's being done, but in a democratic system your expected to collaborate with everyone within reason whether you win, loose or tie.

>>> So...if the majority wants to bankrupt the country...you should go with it???

3) Even so, who's to say there can't be compromise on both sides? Nothing is truly an all or nothing, black and white solution. If 90% of the group says yes and 10% say no, then it's within reason to assume that implementation might be a little bit different than say if 60% said yes and 40% said no.

>>> Just sign it and read it later???

4) The idea that, economically speaking, someone is completely financially independent of others is silly. What you "own" is likely dependent upon the actions of people who don't agree with you on any number of issues, so to say that "these are my resources, they aren't going to anything I don't approve of" not only doesn't work within a system where everyone is dependent upon each other, but it doesn't even exist right now.

>>>I have no idea what this means...
You know what tony? Whatever. I'm beyond trying to talk to you about this kind of thing. It's a shame, really; often times you and I talk like normal civilized people, but for whatever reason when economic systems come up you continuously twist my words and play dumb like a child. I mean really, you can't expect me to believe that "just sign it and read it later???" is your legitimate response to the advocacy of voter-influenced plasticity in law- I know you're more intelligent than that.

I don't think it's very fair of you to do that to me, I don't do that to you. I always try and acknowledge your arguments and take it truly into consideration, and I'd assume based on our previous exchanges you do the same. Yet for whatever reason in this thread you consistantly play dumb, toss strawmen left and right and I'm just not going to do it with you anymore.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:26 AM   #77
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There is socialism which is made up of Community not government. (this eventually fails becaue the community that you join on volunteer basis becomes a government that makes it manditory).

Once it becomes a government it becomes a totalitarian in nature..
I'm not advocating the collectivizing of resources by force. In the kind of government I'm advocating, there would be optionality in public programs. You really don't want to pay for taxation on public transportation or healthcare? Fine, don't; you don't get to use it then, and the private sector will be much worse in this regard. Of course, nobody is going to turn you away or anything, if you need to use the public services then what are we going to do, deny you? But rest assured you'll be paying a fee that will cost you more in the long run then if you just payed for the damn things in the first place. You wouldn't even want to opt out is what I'm saying though- you'd WANT to send your kids to the public education system, you'd want to use public transportation rather than your own private automobile, because it would cheaper and more efficient for everyone to do so.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 10:07 AM   #78
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Silence the opposition, treat them as sub humans, and consider ourselves to be the only valid ideology.

I'm sorry, who was it again who was afraid of government tyranny?
Is that how you take putting in rational rules for voter eligibility?
I suppose you think voting is a right.
It is NOT.

You and your people openly seek to destroy not only our system of government but our whole culture, yet whine about fairness about thing meant to stop that destruction?
Yup, just like two year old temper tantrum.
Lots of drama and whining.
YOU WILL TAKE YOUR NAP, KID!
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Old June 17th, 2014, 10:08 AM   #79
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When do your stand up tickets go on sale?
So you DON'T know the definition of socialism.
Well, we already knew that.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 10:11 AM   #80
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So you DON'T know the definition of socialism.
Well, we already knew that.

I guess not please help.
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