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Old September 15th, 2015, 12:59 PM   #11
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What does the government do with its "wealth" ? Military, VA hospitals, roads, levees, public health, public education.

What do corporations do with the 50%+ welfare checks they get?
The government delegates inflated contracts to private citizens to do a majority of those thing. They produce nothing.

The state shouldn't grant those corporate welfare checks.

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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:00 PM   #12
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how can you say this when I just gave you a story showing that government employees outnumber manufacturing employees for the first time ever?
Because there's been no gain in government employment, just a reduction in manufacturing in this nation. HUGE difference.
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The government delegates inflated contracts to private citizens to do a majority of those thing. They produce nothing.
And yet, you failed to answer what corporations have done with the 50% of its welfare.

Republicans are big on privatizing. IT's more proof there is less social welfare and more and more government welfare. The government also gives billions in welfare to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

They buy our MIC weapons which is again is another welfare check for corporations.
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And yet, you failed to answer what corporations have done with the 50% of its welfare.

Republicans are big on privatizing. IT's more proof there is less social welfare and more and more government welfare. The government also gives billions in welfare to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

They buy our MIC weapons which is again is another welfare check for corporations.
I noticed that before you responded.

They shouldn't get "corporate welfare checks"

In socialism the state and the corporations are even more finally intertwined. But hey. They don't tell you that part do they. You get all up in arms about woman's reproductive rights. What happens when every aspect of your personal health is a concern of the hive? What if my favorite thing to do is have unprotected sex w/ HIV positive hookers. Those are the only people who I fuck. It's my thing. I like to smoke and main line cheap vodka as I do it. What happens to my hobbies when my personal health is now the concerns of the collective l?
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I noticed that before you responded.

They shouldn't get "corporate welfare checks"

In socialism the state and the corporations are even more finally intertwined. But hey. They don't tell you that part do they. You get all up in arms about woman's reproductive rights. What happens when every aspect of your personal health is a concern of the hive? What if my favorite thing to do is have unprotected sex w/ HIV positive hookers. Those are the only people who I fuck. It's my thing. I like to smoke and main line cheap vodka as I do it. What happens to my hobbies when my personal health is now the concerns of the collective l?
So, you basically know nothing about socialism and what you know about capitalism is pretty much a lie, too. Why didn't you say so and save yourself the embarrassment of not being able to answer basic questions on your topic?
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So, you basically know nothing about socialism and what you know about capitalism is pretty much a lie, too. Why didn't you say so and save yourself the embarrassment of not being able to answer basic questions on your topic?
Apparenty you donot understand socialism... in pure socialist Government Government funds buisinesses.

Corporate Welfare IS SOCIALISM... HELLO.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism\\



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noun so·cial·ism \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:43 PM   #17
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Apparenty you donot understand socialism... in pure socialist Government Government funds buisinesses.

Corporate Welfare IS SOCIALISM... HELLO.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism\\

Where Is The Outrage Over Corporate Welfare?

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I recently read the February 24 Good Jobs First report, “Subsidizing the Corporate One Percent,” by Philip Mattera, a respected thought leader in our business. It says that three-quarters of all state economic development subsidies went to just 965 corporations since the beginning of the study in 1976. The Fortune 500 corporations alone accounted for more than 16,000 subsidy awards, worth $63 billion – mostly in the form of tax breaks.
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Think about that. The largest, wealthiest, most powerful organizations in the world are on the public dole. Where is the outrage? Back when I was young, people went into a frenzy at the thought of some unemployed person using food stamps to buy liquor or cigarettes. Ronald Reagan famously campaigned against welfare queens. The right has always been obsessed with moochers. But Boeing receives $13 billion in government handouts and everyone yawns, when conservatives should be grabbing their pitchforks.

According to Good Jobs First, there are 514 economic development programs in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. More than 245,000 awards have been granted under those programs. I ask again, where is the outrage? The system is antithetical to the idea of free markets. A quarter of a million times, state governments decided what is best for producers and consumers. That should make us cringe. First, the government is inefficient at providing public goods, and it is terrible at manipulating the markets for private goods. But more importantly, those 514 economic development programs are almost all the result of insidious cronyism. Narrow business interests manipulate government policymakers, and those interests prosper to the detriment of everyone else. Free markets be damned.
You may want to rethink your socialism thoughts.

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Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership and/or social control[1] of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[2][3] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[4][5] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[6] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[7]

A socialist economy is based on the principle of production for use, to directly satisfy economic demand and human needs, and objects are valued by their use-value, as opposed to the principle of production for profit and accumulation of capital.[8] In the traditional conception of a socialist economy, coordination, accounting and valuation are performed in kind (using physical quantities), by a common physical magnitude, or by a direct measure of labour-time in place of financial calculation.[9][10] For distributing output, two alternative principles have been proposed: to each according to his contribution and from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The advisability, feasibility and exact way of allocating and valuing resources are the subjects of the socialist calculation debate.
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Your knee jerk emotionalism causes you to look uneducated, TN. It always has.
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So, you basically know nothing about socialism and what you know about capitalism is pretty much a lie, too. Why didn't you say so and save yourself the embarrassment of not being able to answer basic questions on your topic?
Was that directed at yourself?

If not then what the hell are you talking about?

What questions am I avoiding or unable to answer?

You want to increase the corporate tax. I understand your reasoning for this but I do not agree. I want less taxes overall. I want no incentives at all from the state towards any business. None. If the incentive that lies w/in the investment is not enough on its own then don't invest. It's that simple. Who gives a shit how many jobs it may or not bring don't expect the citizens to penny up so you can pad your bottom line.

So again. What are you getting at?
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Where Is The Outrage Over Corporate Welfare?



You may want to rethink your socialism thoughts.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Your knee jerk emotionalism causes you to look uneducated, TN. It always has.
So how do you plan to implement such a broad plan?

Ps. That reads about the same as communism. Lemme go ask Wikipedia
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You may want to rethink your socialism thoughts.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

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Communism
For other uses, see Communism (disambiguation).
In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

Communism includes a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, anarchism (anarchist communism) and the political ideologies grouped around both. All these hold in common the analysis that the current order of society stems from its economic system, capitalism, that in this system, there are two major social classes: the working class – who must work to survive, and who make up a majority of society – and the capitalist class – a minority who derive profit from employing the proletariat, through private ownership of the means of production (the physical and institutional means with which commodities are produced and distributed), and that political, social and economic conflict between these two classes will trigger a fundamental change in the economic system, and by extension a wide-ranging transformation of society. The primary element which will enable this transformation, according to this analysis, is the social ownership of the means of production.


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