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Old October 19th, 2015, 07:24 PM   #21
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As someone who ended up with a maritime engineers license, without going to college, I see some validity in your statement. But, I also believe that a lot of the problem is not with college, its with the individual choices made. You get a worthless degree, you still pay for it. Major in medieval art, good luck. Get a degree in mechanical engineering or civil engineer as example. Your not going to have a problem with student loans being paid back, unless you just do not want to pay them back. Which would make you a thief, not a abuser.
You know how to grab the bull by the horns to achieve what you want to accomplish. I was hired over an electrical engineer for my first job after getting out of the Navy. I asked the boss why did you pick me? He said experience and the way you carry yourself. Some years later I became an owner of the company.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 07:53 PM   #22
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"high school degree writing about history and the law" Abraham Lincoln never went to college but passed the Illinois Bar. I never went to college and barely graduated High School. Both Old Abe and me knew how to read books and we both became successful. A college diploma is almost worthless, just ask the student loan abusers.
The focus of my ire was the moron who authored the piece. It was a generality, and with generalities there are exceptions. I respect autodidact education, and in many cases over a formal degree. My support for the superiority of degrees has been rapidly declining for quite some time and shifting towards apprenticeships.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #24
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Most Americans do not want a national healthcare or to raise taxes on the rich.
You're wrong, That's why the republicans gerrymander to get control of the House and state legislation. They work for the corporations and health care industry and the rich you speak of.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 06:47 AM   #25
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You're wrong, That's why the republicans gerrymander to get control of the House and state legislation. They work for the corporations and health care industry and the rich you speak of.
I am correct and gerrymandering did not cause the democrats to lose. This has been demonstrated many times here to you. And lying is not a recognized form of debate.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 07:19 AM   #26
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I am correct and gerrymandering did not cause the democrats to lose. This has been demonstrated many times here to you. And lying is not a recognized form of debate.
Unless your Fayt.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 07:34 AM   #27
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Anyway, lets have another installment of batshit stupid Democratic Socialism! This time kids it comes from Cade Olmstead. It is another you didn't build that piece and explanation of why you will not own wealth and people will vote on what to do with your wealth.
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“Wealth is a social creation and should be controlled by society as a whole,” is a quote from Toward Freedom: Democratic Socialist Theory and Practice, a piece written by DSA members Joseph Schwartz and Jason Schulman. This was the defining statement that set me on a path towards left politics and socialism.
Yeah, Cade loved that. Screw spending my money, I can vote on spending someone elses!
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Socialism can be a hard concept to define; as Michael Harrington states in Socialism: Past and Future, “We should speak of socialisms.” I find the opening quote from our own DSA literature to be truly definitive of what socialism calls for. The idea that wealth is a social creation rests at the crux of socialist theory; understanding that idea helped to clarify for me the opinions of this movement.
You didn't build that! So, we shall vote on what to do with your wealth. Glad you worked hard to open that business that you did not build. Now, the workers will vote on how to proceed. Really sounds fair huh.
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Lots of people have a poor idea of what socialism means. When leftists try to explain what it means, we too often get caught up in the massive amount of theory that is out there. When we say that wealth is a social creation, and the economy should be built upon democratic ownership and focused on the needs of people, we provide an accurate and simple vision of socialism. I have found that using these basic principles in my own explanations allows me to engage in more meaningful conversations and build a greater degree of interest in the movement. I believe that this is a more effective technique for clearing up so much of the confusion that exists.
The opening line. Fayt, I believe it is speaking to you.By saying that were going to take the evil evil rich peoples stuff and redistribute it without their consent and call it social wealth sounds great to a lot of people! You know the people that most of us in society would call thieves.
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Understanding the idea that wealth is a social creation on a large scale is vital to moving away from the current capitalist system. Many people do not realize this fact of nature regarding wealth. It is ingrained within our minds from the time that we are born that if someone works hard enough they can achieve anything. The focus is completely centered around the individual. The truth is that successful individuals would not be where they are if it weren’t for others, if it weren’t for the multitude of interactions and relationships that they had. No matter if these interactions and relationships were between the seller and the consumer, the teacher and the student, or the individual and the government. They were all instrumental in that person’s success. This is a critical concept that people must become aware if we wish to make progress.
Oh, there it is. Those dirty dirty capitalists. Hey Fayt, remember when you said Democratic Socialism was working with capitalism. You might need to drop over to the Democratic Socialist HQ and set them straight. Jus sayin.Oh, yeah we have the attacking the individual and pushing the being part of the collective in this part. Lovely. Fuck the Republic again!
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When introducing people to what socialism is about, let’s stick to these basic principles: Wealth is a social creation, the economy should be based upon democratic ownership, and the economy should be focused on the needs of people. A society where all people have an understanding of the true nature of wealth and our social relationships is an egalitarian and democratic society, a socialist society.
There it is in a nut shell. After saying it over and over. Wealth is everyone's. No one person is entitled to wealth. The fruits of your labor will be shared! Now back to work comrade!!
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Most Americans can not make choices in their own best interest.
which is why the socialist commie rot liberals want to take over people's lives. we're not smart enuf to be free people. (sarcasm)
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Old October 20th, 2015, 06:02 PM   #29
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Let me explain to you what this thread is about. For weeks I and others have tried to get the socialist on here to explain their positions. It has been fruitless. The last attempt ended up with Fayt just saying every government social program is socialist. Therefore the nation is socialist. And if you drive on the road you are a socialist. So, I have decided to use just the democratic socialist of america website for all my sources on this thread. I am going to explain, what they really mean, in my opinion. If any socialist want to jump in and attempt to correct me on that then they are welcome.
It's because your attempts have been pathetic.

Look at the word, Socialism, it speaks of the importance of society.
Capitalism, speaks of the importance of capital.

Society is people, capital is things.
What's more important to you?
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It's because your attempts have been pathetic.

Look at the word, Socialism, it speaks of the importance of society.
Capitalism, speaks of the importance of capital.

Society is people, capital is things.
What's more important to you?
My capitol. Next really stupid question?
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