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Old November 19th, 2015, 05:45 PM   #21
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How much fed money went into the roads? How much fed money is returned to the state for other purposes that therefore you don't have to pay for in state taxes.

And aside from that, why are fed taxes wrong but gas tax and property tax is OK? That seems very inconsistent to begin with.
How much gets left in DC? How much gets redistributed to othe communities?

I would prefer the roads to be free market but as it sits they are not. Gas tax is an (or should be) extra fee attached to pay for the roads. Cars need gas to run. Cars use roads. It's logical and voluntary. Property tax should reflect the amenities associated w/ the community that your property has available. I live in the city I should pay higher property tax because I have more available for my immediate use. Someone one hour from a town should pay significantly less because they should be paying for less. As for the federal money used for roads exc. let them keep it. IMO those funds would be better served if left in the community.

The key thing is that they are voluntary. I choose to buy gas or not. I choose to own a home or not. I choose what community to live in and if the options that community are worth what they are charging.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #22
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How much gets left in DC? How much gets redistributed to othe communities?

I would prefer the roads to be free market but as it sits they are not. Gas tax is an (or should be) extra fee attached to pay for the roads. Cars need gas to run. Cars use roads. It's logical and voluntary. Property tax should reflect the amenities associated w/ the community that your property has available. I live in the city I should pay higher property tax because I have more available for my immediate use. Someone one hour from a town should pay significantly less because they should be paying for less. As for the federal money used for roads exc. let them keep it. IMO those funds would be better served if left in the community.

The key thing is that they are voluntary. I choose to buy gas or not. I choose to own a home or not. I choose what community to live in and if the options that community are worth what they are charging.
So, you are not in fact against taxes. You are against the current tax structure. A big difference.
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So, you are not in fact against taxes. You are against the current tax structure. A big difference.
I am personally against taxes. I am also a realist. I have stated before my views on property tax as I feel it can be set up more like free market. I am strongly against any taxes that come directly out of your paycheck.

I believe in the free market but I also understand why people don't. I personally feel that if all encompassing government was gone and people could choose the style of community that they lived in it would be better for everyone.

I think that intellectual property rights and patents are soon to be a thing of the past and that will open up an open source explosion like we have never seen before. It is archaic governments, big business and the banking cartels that are standing in the way of this. Laws cannot keep up w/ technology. as more and more business is done over the interwebs people will no longer be restricted by geography. The permanent vacationing natural citizen model will become more common.

But no I don't see a problem paying for the amenities that my city provides. I also don't see a problem w/ charging people that don't live here more for things or tolls for the roads or whatever that community decides. That IMO is not theft. It's optional.
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I am personally against taxes. I am also a realist. I have stated before my views on property tax as I feel it can be set up more like free market. I am strongly against any taxes that come directly out of your paycheck.

I believe in the free market but I also understand why people don't. I personally feel that if all encompassing government was gone and people could choose the style of community that they lived in it would be better for everyone.

I think that intellectual property rights and patents are soon to be a thing of the past and that will open up an open source explosion like we have never seen before. It is archaic governments, big business and the banking cartels that are standing in the way of this. Laws cannot keep up w/ technology. as more and more business is done over the interwebs people will no longer be restricted by geography. The permanent vacationing natural citizen model will become more common.

But no I don't see a problem paying for the amenities that my city provides. I also don't see a problem w/ charging people that don't live here more for things or tolls for the roads or whatever that community decides. That IMO is not theft. It's optional.
"That IMO is not theft. It's optional". IMHO, that should be mandatory and not optional.
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I am personally against taxes. I am also a realist. I have stated before my views on property tax as I feel it can be set up more like free market. I am strongly against any taxes that come directly out of your paycheck.

I believe in the free market but I also understand why people don't. I personally feel that if all encompassing government was gone and people could choose the style of community that they lived in it would be better for everyone.

I think that intellectual property rights and patents are soon to be a thing of the past and that will open up an open source explosion like we have never seen before. It is archaic governments, big business and the banking cartels that are standing in the way of this. Laws cannot keep up w/ technology. as more and more business is done over the interwebs people will no longer be restricted by geography. The permanent vacationing natural citizen model will become more common.

But no I don't see a problem paying for the amenities that my city provides. I also don't see a problem w/ charging people that don't live here more for things or tolls for the roads or whatever that community decides. That IMO is not theft. It's optional.
Income tax and sales tax are billed as property tax relief, how would you feel about no income taxes but substantially higher property tax?
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Income tax and sales tax are billed as property tax relief, how would you feel about no income taxes but substantially higher property tax?
That would sink my boat.
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"That IMO is not theft. It's optional". IMHO, that should be mandatory and not optional.
Your opinion lies in choosing to live there. I pay more for where I live. We have fantastic parks lakes, biking and good schools. Three major sporting stadiums. Public transportation, restaurants and theaters. all of these things enhance my life both economically and socially. To me it is worth the extra money. To someone who doesn't or wouldn't utilize these things it would not be worth the money and they should not have to pay for them. They can choose to live in the country and pay much less.

For me to go and see a football game I can walk out my door, jump on a bus and scalp a ticket after kickoff for around half face value. I can do this on a whim. For someone from up north they have to buy tickets in advance, drive down, pay for parking and then get a room or dive back after the game. It's a weekend planned event. I can do it if I'm bored. To me the location is worth having those kind of options.
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Income tax and sales tax are billed as property tax relief, how would you feel about no income taxes but substantially higher property tax?
It would depend on transparency and how it was structured. I feel that ALL of property tax should be used for the community.
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Your opinion lies in choosing to live there. I pay more for where I live. We have fantastic parks lakes, biking and good schools. Three major sporting stadiums. Public transportation, restaurants and theaters. all of these things enhance my life both economically and socially. To me it is worth the extra money. To someone who doesn't or wouldn't utilize these things it would not be worth the money and they should not have to pay for them. They can choose to live in the country and pay much less.

For me to go and see a football game I can walk out my door, jump on a bus and scalp a ticket after kickoff for around half face value. I can do this on a whim. For someone from up north they have to buy tickets in advance, drive down, pay for parking and then get a room or dive back after the game. It's a weekend planned event. I can do it if I'm bored. To me the location is worth having those kind of options.
Everyone wants their pursuit of happiness and if you like parks in big cities with bike lanes and big sporting arenas, that is your pursuit of happiness. My pursuit of happiness is having grain fields surrounding my modest home far away from the big city and pay extra to do that.
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The socialist economic plan is identical to the republican economic plan; continue to allow the bankers to issue trillions out of thin air and pocket the interest on it.
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