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Old May 22nd, 2016, 03:42 PM   #11
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Pakistan 121 55.6 Increase 0.4 126 55.2 Increase 0.1 121 55.1 Increase 0.4
Kenya 122 55.6 Decrease -1.5 111 57.1 Increase 1.2 114 55.9 Decrease -1.6
Guyana 123 55.5 Decrease -0.2 121 55.7 Increase 1.9 129 53.8 Increase 2.5
Egypt 124 55.2 Increase 2.3 135 52.9 Decrease -1.9 125 54.8 Decrease -3.1
Mozambique 125 54.8 Decrease -0.2 128 55 Steady 0 123 55 Decrease -2.1
Malawi 126 54.8 Decrease -0.6 124 55.4 Increase 0.1 118 55.3 Decrease -1.1
Niger 127 54.6 Decrease -0.5 127 55.1 Increase 1.2 128 53.9 Decrease -0.4
India 128 54.6 Decrease -1.1 120 55.7 Increase 0.5 119 55.2 Increase 0.6
Suriname 129 54.2 Steady 0 130 54.2 Increase 2.2 135 52 Decrease -0.6
Greece 130 54 Decrease -1.7 119 55.7 Increase 0.3 117 55.4 Steady 0
Bangladesh 131 53.9 Decrease -0.2 131 54.1 Increase 1.5 132 52.6 Decrease -0.6
Burundi 132 53.7 Increase 2.3 141 51.4 Increase 2.4 148 49 Increase 0.9
Yemen 133 53.7 Decrease -1.8 123 55.5 Decrease -0.4 113 55.9 Increase 0.6
Maldives 134 53.4 Increase 2.4 145 51 Increase 2 149 49 Decrease -0.2
Mauritania 135 53.3 Increase 0.1 134 53.2 Increase 0.9 134 52.3 Decrease -0.7
São Tomé and Príncipe 136 53.3 Increase 4.5 157 48.8 Increase 0.8 153 48 Decrease -2.2
Papua New Guinea 137 53.1 Decrease -0.8 132 53.9 Increase 0.3 130 53.6 Decrease -0.2
Togo 138 53 Increase 3.1 152 49.9 Increase 1.1 150 48.8 Increase 0.5
China 139 52.7 Increase 0.2 137 52.5 Increase 0.6 136 51.9 Increase 0.7
Tajikistan 140 52.7 Increase 0.7 139 52 Decrease -1.4 131 53.4 Steady 0
Liberia 141 52.7 Increase 0.3 138 52.4 Increase 3.1 147 49.3 Increase 0.7
Comoros 142 52.1 Increase 0.7 142 51.4 Increase 3.9 157 47.5 Increase 1.8
Russia 143 52.1 Increase 0.2 140 51.9 Increase 0.8 139 51.1 Increase 0.6
Guinea 144 52.1 Decrease -1.4 133 53.5 Increase 2.3 137 51.2 Increase 0.4
Guinea-Bissau 145 52 Increase 0.7 143 51.3 Increase 0.2 138 51.1 Increase 1
Cameroon 146 51.9 Decrease -0.7 136 52.6 Increase 0.3 133 52.3 Increase 0.5
Sierra Leone 147 51.7 Increase 1.2 148 50.5 Increase 2.2 151 48.3 Decrease -0.8
Vietnam 148 51.7 Increase 0.9 147 50.8 Decrease -0.2 140 51 Decrease -0.3
Ethiopia 149 51.5 Increase 1.5 151 50 Increase 0.6 146 49.4 Decrease -2.6
Laos 150 51.4 Increase 0.2 144 51.2 Increase 1.1 144 50.1 Increase 0.1
Haiti 151 51.3 Increase 2.4 156 48.9 Increase 0.8 152 48.1 Decrease -2.6
Nepal 152 51.3 Increase 1.2 149 50.1 Decrease -0.3 141 50.4 Increase 0.2
Belarus 153 49.8 Decrease -0.3 150 50.1 Increase 2.1 154 48 Decrease -1
Federated States of Micronesia 154 49.6 Decrease -0.2 153 49.8 Decrease -0.3 143 50.1 Decrease -0.6
Lesotho 155 49.6 Increase 0.1 154 49.5 Increase 1.6 155 47.9 Increase 1.3
Ecuador 156 49.2 Increase 1.2 159 48 Increase 1.1 159 46.9 Decrease -1.4
Algeria 157 48.9 Decrease -1.9 146 50.8 Increase 1.2 145 49.6 Decrease -1.4
Angola 158 47.9 Increase 0.2 160 47.7 Increase 0.4 158 47.3 Increase 0.6
Solomon Islands 159 47 Increase 0.8 165 46.2 Increase 1.2 165 45 Decrease -1.2
Uzbekistan 160 47 Increase 0.5 163 46.5 Increase 0.5 162 46 Increase 0.2
Myanmar 161 46.9 Increase 0.4 162 46.5 Increase 7.3 172 39.2 Increase 0.5
Ukraine 162 46.9 Decrease -2.4 155 49.3 Increase 3 161 46.3 Increase 0.2
Bolivia 163 46.8 Decrease -1.6 158 48.4 Increase 0.5 156 47.9 Decrease -2.3
Kiribati 164 46.4 Increase 0.1 164 46.3 Increase 0.4 163 45.9 Decrease -1
Chad 165 45.9 Increase 1.4 167 44.5 Decrease -0.7 164 45.2 Increase 0.4
Central African Republic 166 45.9 Decrease -0.8 161 46.7 Decrease -3.7 142 50.4 Increase 0.1
Timor-Leste 167 45.5 Increase 2.3 170 43.2 Decrease -0.5 166 43.7 Increase 0.4
Republic of the Congo 168 45 Increase 4.4 172 40.6 Increase 1 171 39.6 Decrease -1.5
Argentina 169 44.1 Decrease -0.5 166 44.6 Decrease -2.1 160 46.7 Decrease -1.3
Democratic Republic of the Congo 170 42.7 Decrease -1 169 43.7 Increase 0.2 167 43.5 Decrease -0.3
Iran 171 41.8 Increase 1.5 173 40.3 Decrease -2.9 168 43.2 Increase 0.9
Turkmenistan 172 41.4 Decrease -0.8 171 42.2 Decrease -0.4 169 42.6 Decrease -1.2
Equatorial Guinea 173 40.4 Decrease -4 168 44.4 Increase 2.1 170 42.3 Decrease -0.5
Eritrea 174 38.9 Increase 0.4 174 38.5 Increase 2.2 173 36.3 Increase 0.1
Zimbabwe 175 37.6 Increase 2.1 176 35.5 Increase 6.9 175 28.6 Increase 2.3
Venezuela 176 34.3 Decrease -2 175 36.3 Increase 0.2 174 36.1 Decrease -2
Cuba 177 29.6 Increase 0.9 177 28.7 Increase 0.2 176 28.5 Increase 0.2
North Korea 178 1.3 Increase 0.3 178 1 Decrease -0.5 177 1.5 Increase 0.5
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Your basis of evaluation to conclude inflated values is zero.
No its not. It is valid. Look at the average per square foot of housing in the United States compared to Denmark.
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In the Capital region, i.e. Copenhagen and its hinterland, average detached/terraced houses prices rose by 7.6% (7.4% inflation-adjusted) to DKK20,663 (US$2,999) per sq. m.
In Zealand region, house prices rose by 5.8% (5.6% inflation-adjusted) to DKK9,904 (US$1,437) per sq. m.
In Southern Denmark, house prices increased 3.4% (3.2% inflation-adjusted) to DKK8,824 (US$1,281) per sq. m.
In Central Denmark, house prices rose by 5.2% (5% inflation-adjusted) to DKK10,821 (US$1,571) per sq. m.
In North Zutland, house prices rose by 5.4% (5.2% inflation-adjusted) to DKK8,360 (US$1,213) per sq. m.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 04:08 PM   #13
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economic freedoms and socialism do not go hand and hand
Only in your extreme and unrealistic definition of socialism.

I will argue that unfettered capitalism restricts economic freedoms worse without firm and extensive regulation.

Capitalism =/= free enterprise.
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Only in your extreme and unrealistic definition of socialism.

I will argue that unfettered capitalism restricts economic freedoms worse without firm and extensive regulation.

Capitalism =/= free enterprise.

Full Definition of socialism
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: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
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a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
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: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


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Old May 22nd, 2016, 04:17 PM   #15
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Only in your extreme and unrealistic definition of socialism.

I will argue that unfettered capitalism restricts economic freedoms worse without firm and extensive regulation.

Capitalism =/= free enterprise.

yet Venezuela has claimed to be socialist whereas Denmark said that it is not.

thats kinda funny




After seeing his country held up as an example in the US presidential debate, Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen used an address at Harvard to explain the Nordic model to a US audience suddenly very interested in Denmark.

Bernie Sanders won't like this report on Denmark (21 Oct 15)
Denmark centre stage in US presidential debate (14 Oct 15)
Speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen told students that he had “absolutely no wish to interfere the presidential debate in the US” but nonetheless attempted to set the record straight about his country.

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.

“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added.



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The whole concept of degree is totally beyond you, isn't it sab?

Does this mean that you finally agree that if the US espoused the various social and health related policies that Denmark has would be a good thing since they aren't socialistic?

I too think your healthcare, welfare systems and tax structure should be more like theirs, just like you seem to be advocating.
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The whole concept of degree is totally beyond you, isn't it sab?
the state does not relinquish liberties once it has stolen them. the state is continuously passing new laws and leaving obsolete ones on the books. the goal for us as citizens should be to reclaim our freedoms back from the state not turning over even more.

so when you speak of degrees, yes i understand them. i do not consent to giving more of my personal liberties over to the state. they have been slowly over generations been taken away in "degrees" give an inch take a mile.
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Does this mean that you finally agree that if the US espoused the various social and health related policies that Denmark has would be a good thing since they aren't socialistic?

I too think your healthcare, welfare systems and tax structure should be more like theirs, just like you seem to be advocating.

i think that the US is to large to apply that model to the entire nation.

this i why i advocate the separation of the states and the separation from the federal government as the ruler of all of the people.
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the state does not relinquish liberties once it has stolen them. the state is continuously passing new laws and leaving obsolete ones on the books. the goal for us as citizens should be to reclaim our freedoms back from the state not turning over even more.

so when you speak of degrees, yes i understand them. i do not consent to giving more of my personal liberties over to the state. they have been slowly over generations been taken away in "degrees" give an inch take a mile.
And how will you achieve a system that can deliver that to its citizens while ensure their freedoms and rights? You can't without creating some type of government and that entails some degree of state (call it what you want) mandates. Your idealized anarchic society is an impossibility.
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And how will you achieve a system that can deliver that to its citizens while ensure their freedoms and rights? You can't without creating some type of government and that entails some degree of state (call it what you want) mandates. Your idealized anarchic society is an impossibility.
i have stated before that society, as we have it now is not ready for self government. this does not mean that i abandon my ideals. socialism is the exact opposite of what i advocate for. smaller more localized governments is a move in the right direction.
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