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Old May 22nd, 2016, 05:06 PM   #21
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i have stated before that society, as we have it now is not ready for self government. this does not mean that i abandon my ideals. socialism is the exact opposite of what i advocate for. smaller more localized governments is a move in the right direction.
If you want to say goodbye to things like the internet, a transportation infrastructure that will allow widespread commerce and on and on.

Walden pond is great, but it won't support the world's population, so gather your guns because the hungry hordes will be gunning for you.
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If you want to say goodbye to things like the internet, a transportation infrastructure that will allow widespread commerce and on and on.

Walden pond is great, but it won't support the world's population, so gather your guns because the hungry hordes will be gunning for you.
your cute. the baby boomers will soon be dead or reliant on hospice care. the weakest link will be eliminated and with it the archaic worship of the past and the state. the future is already here.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 05:31 PM   #23
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your cute. the baby boomers will soon be dead or reliant on hospice care. the weakest link will be eliminated and with it the archaic worship of the past and the state. the future is already here.
Dream on. Check out the demographic estimates. 11 billion people in 2050.

If the infrastructure fails there will be mass riots and your goal of anarchy may happen. But I don't think you will like it.
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Dream on. Check out the demographic estimates. 11 billion people in 2050.

If the infrastructure fails there will be mass riots and your goal of anarchy may happen. But I don't think you will like it.
i will be a permanent traveler by then
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 05:45 PM   #25
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back to socialism.


That's not an easy thing to do when you have the largest oil reserves in the world, but Venezuela has managed it. How? Well, a combination of bad luck and worse policies. The first step was when Hugo Chávez's socialist government started spending more money on the poor, with everything from two-cent gasoline to free housing. Now, there's nothing wrong with that — in fact, it's a good idea in general — but only as long as you actually, well, have the money to spend. And by 2005 or so, Venezuela didn't.
Why not? The answer is that Chávez turned the state-owned oil company from being professionally run to being barely run. People who knew what they were doing were replaced with people who were loyal to the regime, and profits came out but new investment didn't go in. That last part was particularly bad, because Venezuela's extra-heavy crude needs to be blended or refined — neither of which is cheap — before it can be sold. So Venezuela just hasn't been able to churn out as much oil as it used to without upgraded or even maintained infrastructure. Specifically, oil production fell 25 percent between 1999 and 2013.
The rest is a familiar tale of fiscal woe. Even triple-digit oil prices, as Justin Fox points out, weren't enough to keep Venezuela out of the red when it was spending more on its people but producing less crude.
As of now, the country has limited long distance call service, television access, and other telecommunications. Even toilet paper is becoming a luxury item:

Things in Venezuela keep finding ways to get worse. Because of acute shortages, people can't find basics like toilet paper. Now, it will be harder to make overseas calls or watch pay TV.
The problem is this: the global drop in oil prices has made dollars much more scarce in Venezuela -- which is dependent almost totally on petroleum for hard currency. So local telecoms companies don't have greenbacks to pay international suppliers.
President Nicolas Maduro's leftist government controls the currency market, and distributes dollars to private companies as it sees fit.
The government owes local companies around 700 million dollars, which these firms need to honor obligations with foreign providers, according to the Chamber of Telecommunications Services Companies.
So as a result, for instance, the Spanish telecoms giant Telefonica will temporarily suspend this week long distance phone service for calls to countries such as the United States, Spain, Mexico, Italy, Brazil, Colombia and Panama.
Mobile phone company Digitel, which is privately owned, has halted long distance calling services and international roaming since April 9 because it cannot reach agreement with providers on new payment timetables.
But it is not just telephone service that is affected. State-run television company Cantv, which provides cable service says it is reviewing contracts with providers of local and international content. That means there is less to watch on TV in Venezuelan living rooms.
So, here’s socialism for you–still making people’s lives miserable.

21st Century Socialism Brings No Toilet Paper, TV, Or Long Distance Phone Service To Venezuela - Matt Vespa


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Old May 22nd, 2016, 06:12 PM   #26
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i will be a permanent traveler by then
Along non-existent roads crawling with thieves and killers.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 06:18 PM   #27
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back to socialism.


That's not an easy thing to do when you have the largest oil reserves in the world, but Venezuela has managed it. How? Well, a combination of bad luck and worse policies. Mostly worse policies. The first step was when Hugo Chávez's socialist government started spending more money on the poor, with everything from two-cent gasoline to free housing. Now, there's nothing wrong with that — in fact, it's a good idea in general — but only as long as you actually, well, have the money to spend. No it isn't, you have to think carefully, and ungiving causes worse problems. And by 2005 or so, Venezuela didn't.
Why not? The answer is that Chávez turned the state-owned oil company from being professionally run to being barely run. Back to my main premise, stupid. People who knew what they were doing were replaced with people who were loyal to the regime, and profits came out but new investment didn't go in. That last part was particularly bad, because Venezuela's extra-heavy crude needs to be blended or refined — neither of which is cheap — before it can be sold. So Venezuela just hasn't been able to churn out as much oil as it used to without upgraded or even maintained infrastructure. Specifically, oil production fell 25 percent between 1999 and 2013. More stupid.
The rest is a familiar tale of fiscal woe. Even triple-digit oil prices, as Justin Fox points out, weren't enough to keep Venezuela out of the red when it was spending more on its people but producing less crude. More stupid
As of now, the country has limited long distance call service, television access, and other telecommunications. Even toilet paper is becoming a luxury item:

Things in Venezuela keep finding ways to get worse. Because of acute shortages, people can't find basics like toilet paper. Now, it will be harder to make overseas calls or watch pay TV.
The problem is this: the global drop in oil prices has made dollars much more scarce in Venezuela -- which is dependent almost totally on petroleum for hard currency. So local telecoms companies don't have greenbacks to pay international suppliers.
President Nicolas Maduro's leftist government controls the currency market, and distributes dollars to private companies as it sees fit. More stupid
The government owes local companies around 700 million dollars, which these firms need to honor obligations with foreign providers, according to the Chamber of Telecommunications Services Companies.
So as a result, for instance, the Spanish telecoms giant Telefonica will temporarily suspend this week long distance phone service for calls to countries such as the United States, Spain, Mexico, Italy, Brazil, Colombia and Panama.
Mobile phone company Digitel, which is privately owned, has halted long distance calling services and international roaming since April 9 because it cannot reach agreement with providers on new payment timetables.
But it is not just telephone service that is affected. State-run television company Cantv, which provides cable service says it is reviewing contracts with providers of local and international content. That means there is less to watch on TV in Venezuelan living rooms.
So, here’s socialism for you–still making people’s lives miserable.

21st Century Socialism Brings No Toilet Paper, TV, Or Long Distance Phone Service To Venezuela - Matt Vespa


so awesome.
You forgot the, to my mind, ultimate stupid. He and the current dingbat legislate prices for food and manufactured goods at lower than the cost to produce them thus the farmers and manufacturers shut down, intensifying the shortages. A further example of stupidity, not socialism.
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The thieves and killers hide will, as your pic shows.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 06:25 PM   #30
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You forgot the, to my mind, ultimate stupid. He and the current dingbat legislate prices for food and manufactured goods at lower than the cost to produce them thus the farmers and manufacturers shut down, intensifying the shortages. A further example of stupidity, not socialism.
yes, socialism is a stupid economic policy. it has been proven numerous times. it works until you run out of other peoples money and/or the producers give up and leave then all you have left is takers.
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