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Old May 22nd, 2016, 06:45 PM   #1
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21st Century Socialism Part II

Government officials announced Thursday [April 21] that they would begin rolling blackouts for 40 days in cities across Venezuela, starting next week. The move will help save power at a time when water levels at the country's main electric dam are at record lows.
The government says the El Nino weather pattern and drought are to blame. Outside experts say mismanagement and a corrupt government have been the root cause.
"The blackouts are just more evidence of an utterly dysfunctional government," says Michael Shifter, president of the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington research group. "This is a government that is not governing."
It's quite an irony for Venezuelans to be facing blackouts. Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world. However, it uses its oil to export to other countries, not to keep the lights on at home.
Officials are already forcing Venezuelans to cut back on energy. They're feeling the pinch. Glenda Bolivar lives in Caracas, the country's capital, and she stopped blow drying her hair at her local salon.
"Pretty soon we will only be able to use candles like the old times," says Bolivar.
Power will go out for four hours per day for 40 days. The country's electricity minister, Luis Motta Dominguez, said the blackouts could continue beyond 40 days if water levels at the El Guri dam, which provides about 75% of the country's electricity, keep falling to record lows.
The blackouts aren't new. President Nicolas Maduro was deeply embarrassed in March when power cut out during a speech broadcast on national television.
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Venezuela's economy shrank 5.7% last year and it's expected to contract another 8% this year. Inflation has skyrocketed in Venezuela and it could increase nearly 500% in 2016, according to the IMF's projections. The country's economy depends on exporting oil. With oil prices still low, the country has been running out of cash reserves to keep the country afloat.
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21st Century Socialism Part II: Venezuela?s 40 Days Of Rolling Blackouts - Matt Vespa

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As I thought. Only RNG will even attempt to argue on this issue. Venezuela is in fact, the poster child of Socialism. Just like Progressive.org said. Hey, Sab I hope you do not consider this hijacking your thread. But, for fun lets dust off a progressive.org praising of Chavez article for fun!

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Hugo Chavez’s legacy: a more independent Latin America
Posted: March 11, 2013
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Hugo Chavez proved that Venezuela and the rest of Latin America could chart an independent path in the world.

The Venezuelan leader, who died on March 5, often assumed the role of court jester on the international stage, raising uncomfortable truths by poking fun at the powerful -- namely, the United States.

But, for Chavez, revolutionizing Venezuela's political and economic system was a wholly serious matter.

Before winning office, Venezuela had become a laboratory of U.S.-backed free market orthodoxy ruled by a tiny political elite, which siphoned off the country's enormous oil profits. Despite oil reserves surpassing Saudi Arabia's, almost two-thirds of Venezuelans slid into poverty.

Chavez promised to turn things around -- and he did.

Shortly after his inauguration in 1999, voters approved a new constitution that drastically expanded grassroots citizen participation in government.

After taking control of the oil industry, his government managed to cut the proportion of Venezuelans living in poverty by half, from 60 to 30 percent. Health care and a college education -- once exclusive luxuries of the wealthy -- became widely and freely available. And the country is now practically free of illiteracy.

Chavez branded his vision for Venezuela as "socialism for the 21st century."

His policies drew virulent opposition from the conservative national elite, which staged a short-lived coup in April 2002. Washington tacitly endorsed the power grab, but massive street demonstrations and unanimous condemnation by Latin American leaders returned Chavez to office.

The political tide in Latin America had turned -- in part, thanks to Chavez.

He was the first in a steady stream of left-leaning leaders elected to office in a region that Washington had once claimed as its backyard. Chavez was the most vocal advocate of this growing autonomy.

He considered himself the spiritual heir of South American independence hero Simon Bolivar, who dreamed that a united Latin America would be capable of standing up to Washington and other world powers.

The first major show of unity and defiance came in 2005. At a trade summit in Argentina, Latin American leaders banded together against a U.S.-proposed free trade agreement that would have extended the North American Free Trade Agreement throughout the hemisphere.

Since then, Chavez helped launch a handful of multilateral institutions in the region. These organizations have given Latin American countries the ability to promote regional infrastructure projects, coordinate diplomatic stances and cooperate militarily without meddling from Washington.

The political breathing room enabled other countries to follow in Venezuela's footsteps and take greater control over their own natural resources. The oil and gas reserves of countries like Bolivia and Ecuador, for instance, are now bankrolling Venezuelan-style anti-poverty programs.

Chavez, of course, was not perfect, but he will be remembered in Venezuela and beyond as a fierce defender of Latin America and an outspoken advocate for a more just world economy.
- See more at: Hugo Chavez?s legacy: a more independent Latin America | The Progressive

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I have said many times that Chavez and Maduro are fucking idiots. Venezuela is a basket case, or worse. No one is arguing that.

But it is a basket case because or the stupidity of those two guys, not of socialism.

To make you really happy, I think to a very small degree, and I can't stress how small that degree is, Sanders is advocating some similarly stupid policies. Not really the policies, they could work if implemented correctly, but the time line he suggests is totally impractical, IMO.

Neither are a reflection on socialism, they are a reflection on stupid.

And again, I am no more in favor of total socialism than I am of total capitalism or total anarchy. None of those have a hope of ever working.

I have now quit beating this dead horse. Make as many "Venezuela is bad" threads as you want, to quote Jack Paar, my sabre is bent.
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I have said many times that Chavez and Maduro are fucking idiots. Venezuela is a basket case, or worse. No one is arguing that.

But it is a basket case because or the stupidity of those two guys, not of socialism.

To make you really happy, I think to a very small degree, and I can't stress how small that degree is, Sanders is advocating some similarly stupid policies. Not really the policies, they could work if implemented correctly, but the time line he suggests is totally impractical, IMO.

Neither are a reflection on socialism, they are a reflection on stupid.

And again, I am no more in favor of total socialism than I am of total capitalism or total anarchy. None of those have a hope of ever working.

I have now quit beating this dead horse. Make as many "Venezuela is bad" threads as you want, to quote Jack Paar, my sabre is bent.
you do realize that this is happening NOW. in only 10 years or so they have gone from a beacon of hope for the socialist agenda to a complete failure that is being pushed under the rug?

this is getting little to no coverage here in the states as the media is trying to hype the young, uninformed and stupid into this frenzy of socialism is good. when just 50 years or so again we were told the excuse to send our boys over seas to their deaths was to fight the spread of communism. now in real time we can watch a socialist experiment fail in such an epic way that the reasons are beyond obvious. the exact reasons to argue against socialism are acting out right before our very eyes and now...suddenly it is not socialism. when all of the resources were being redistributed to "the people" it was all sunshine and unicorns but now that it is failing it is a corrupt dictator. how lovely it must be to be a statist and have the luxury to move the goal posts and change the terminology when it is convenient.

again i ask. if tis is not a socialist economic structure then what is it?

because Venezuela said that it was socialism

economists say that it is socialism

the media (until recently) said it was socialism

so...?
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I have said many times that Chavez and Maduro are fucking idiots. Venezuela is a basket case, or worse. No one is arguing that.

But it is a basket case because or the stupidity of those two guys, not of socialism.

To make you really happy, I think to a very small degree, and I can't stress how small that degree is, Sanders is advocating some similarly stupid policies. Not really the policies, they could work if implemented correctly, but the time line he suggests is totally impractical, IMO.

Neither are a reflection on socialism, they are a reflection on stupid.

And again, I am no more in favor of total socialism than I am of total capitalism or total anarchy. None of those have a hope of ever working.

I have now quit beating this dead horse. Make as many "Venezuela is bad" threads as you want, to quote Jack Paar, my sabre is bent.
I applaud your valiant effort. Take note none of the Socialists on here stepped in on this thread.
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