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Old November 1st, 2017, 03:49 PM   #1
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The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism"

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German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

But the Soviets themselves also played a part in the crafting of the myth of the Nazi capitalist. The Nazis were not trying to hide their socialism (after all, snarky tweets aside, socialism was in the name); they were just implementing socialism according to a different strategy than that of the Marxist socialists.


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So it's kinda like when Nixon was president, and the government controlled wages and prices.
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So it's kinda like when Nixon was president, and the government controlled wages and prices.
Yes exactly and that why it failed as well.
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That's the funny thing. The media and the Left have controlled the narrative on this equating Nazi with Right and Lenin with the Left. The reality is that the far Right in its farthest extreme would be wild west kind of anarchy. And the farthest Left would be a central control pure communism state with collective farms and all that. The deal with Hitler and Lenin and Stalin and Mussolini is they all are totalitarian dictators. This has little to do with the nature of types of governments and everything to do with leaders as tyrants.

In my lifetime I have watched this country be dragged towards the communist side of the scale and away from the limited government side of the scale.
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That's the funny thing. The media and the Left have controlled the narrative on this equating Nazi with Right and Lenin with the Left. The reality is that the far Right in its farthest extreme would be wild west kind of anarchy. And the farthest Left would be a central control pure communism state with collective farms and all that. The deal with Hitler and Lenin and Stalin and Mussolini is they all are totalitarian dictators. This has little to do with the nature of types of governments and everything to do with leaders as tyrants.

In my lifetime I have watched this country be dragged towards the communist side of the scale and away from the limited government side of the scale.
Hitler was a bit of a scar on the Marxists and socialists but all of communism took a bit of a hit and they were forced to regroup and rebrand. They have been successful in distancing themselves from Hitler and hiding the atrocities of Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam and North Korea. It amazes me that in just a generation they have already brought socialism face first into the.public eye. Even as Venezuela crumbles right before ouf eyes people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Now i can get the millennials but people who were alive when the wall came down, when we actually had refugees who were escaping communist nations. Some of my best friends as a kids parents escaped from those places. Go to a Cambodian or Vietnamese community and ask them how they feel about communism. They will fill in anyone who cares to know.

Very sad how easily people forget
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Hitler was a bit of a scar on the Marxists and socialists but all of communism took a bit of a hit and they were forced to regroup and rebrand. They have been successful in distancing themselves from Hitler and hiding the atrocities of Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam and North Korea. It amazes me that in just a generation they have already brought socialism face first into the.public eye. Even as Venezuela crumbles right before ouf eyes people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Now i can get the millennials but people who were alive when the wall came down, when we actually had refugees who were escaping communist nations. Some of my best friends as a kids parents escaped from those places. Go to a Cambodian or Vietnamese community and ask them how they feel about communism. They will fill in anyone who cares to know.

Very sad how easily people forget
Unless that Vietnamese community is in Vietnam, you might get different answers than you were expecting there.
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Hitler was a bit of a scar on the Marxists and socialists but all of communism took a bit of a hit and they were forced to regroup and rebrand. They have been successful in distancing themselves from Hitler and hiding the atrocities of Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam and North Korea. It amazes me that in just a generation they have already brought socialism face first into the.public eye. Even as Venezuela crumbles right before ouf eyes people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Now i can get the millennials but people who were alive when the wall came down, when we actually had refugees who were escaping communist nations. Some of my best friends as a kids parents escaped from those places. Go to a Cambodian or Vietnamese community and ask them how they feel about communism. They will fill in anyone who cares to know.

Very sad how easily people forget
That is exactly right.

The Left in the USA would point to the rather socialist governments in Europe as success and ignore Venezuela as an anomaly. The reality is that Europe has been successful because of the free market aspects of their governments prior to today. Western Europe is racing towards the more extreme form of Socialism. They are not there yet but they are being decayed rapidly by it. I am glad I did a lot of travel to Europe before the European Union. I got to see many countries before what is happening there now. People that I know that live there are crying about what has happened to their country, while the Left here in the USA sees it as Eden (not knowing the reality).
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That is exactly right.

The Left in the USA would point to the rather socialist governments in Europe as success and ignore Venezuela as an anomaly. The reality is that Europe has been successful because of the free market aspects of their governments prior to today. Western Europe is racing towards the more extreme form of Socialism. They are not there yet but they are being decayed rapidly by it. I am glad I did a lot of travel to Europe before the European Union. I got to see many countries before what is happening there now. People that I know that live there are crying about what has happened to their country, while the Left here in the USA sees it as Eden (not knowing the reality).

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Unless that Vietnamese community is in Vietnam, you might get different answers than you were expecting there.
Meaning what, comrade?
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