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Old June 24th, 2008, 07:16 AM   #1
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Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama

Does Barack Obama Believe in Socialism, Marxism, and Communism? Does "CHANGE" represent Barack Obama's long term goal of "ISM" for the US? Our Future?





Why would I ask these questions? This is why:



Part 1 - Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism



1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit



2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune



3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR)- "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times



4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)



5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily



6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union - "He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News



7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate - "Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)



8. Obama's Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dorhn's Chicago Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who's SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. "Obama's run for the Illinois state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers' and Dorhn's Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)









9. Obama Had a Close Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance...Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National Review



10. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them - "Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection." Source: Wikipedia



11. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders - [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlIpOkRh2A"]Video[/ame] " "Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate." Source: Wikipedia



12. Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara - Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star Times





"Guevara later served as Minister of Industries, in which post he helped formulate Cuban socialism...Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities." Source: Wikipedia



To be continued...
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continuation...



More "Che" fans from Obama's site:



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Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Ms. Roberts

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Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Elizabeth Jean

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Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Andrew Shears

Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Victor



13. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama -"Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." Source: CPUSA Website (This line has since been removed from the CPUSA website) - Search for this quote



14. Obama's Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism - " The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology" Source: TUCC Website "Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950's when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life." Source: gotquestions.org











15. Obama's Opening Band - The band that opened for Obama's Oregon rally (The Decemberists) is named after an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt) that Meloy views as an attempted communist revolution. They also open many of their shows by playing the Soviet National Anthem... Source: Oleg Atbashian, Pajamasmedia







The Decemberists performing the Soviet National Anthem:







Watch this press briefing by America's Survival on Obama's Communist Connections Presented by Cliff Kincaid, Herbert Romerstein, Trevor Loudon, and Max Friedman



Part 2 - Barack and Michelle's Socialist, Marxist, and Communist Quotes



"They don't want the whole pie," she told the women. "There are some who do, but most Americans feel blessed just being able to thrive a little bit. But that is becoming even more out of reach. If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership, for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care. The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more."

- Michelle Obama







"So we're going to provide a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, but, students, you're going to have to give back something in return. You're going to have to participate in community service. You're going to have to work in a homeless shelter, or a veteran's home, or an underserved school, or join the Peace Corps." - Barack Obama



So he wants to make "every student, every year" an employee of the state? And is this another step towards socializing higher education?



"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiments as a way to explain their frustrations" - Barack Obama



Karl Marx famously claimed that religion was an opiate of the masses. He was explaining his view that the wealthy bourgeoise cynically used religion as a device to keep the poor, simple proletariat happy in their misery and squalor so they would find it immoral to rise up and overthrow their capitalists oppressors.



"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," - Barack Obama



Hmm, is this quote for Marxist or Fascist? I can't decide...



"It’s because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation." - Barack Obama



"The great task before our founders was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. and Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity." - Barack Obama



Collective? Common prosperity? "the ultimate goal of socialism is common prosperity" Source: Yang Chungui, The Marxist



"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)



"Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union" - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

To be continued ...
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And lastly ...



Nothing more to say here...



"Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness." - Barack Obama



No, not because it would increase revenue, but for "fairness". Yes that's right...punish success...







Part 3 - Obama's Platform



Comparing Barack Obama to Self Described Socialist Bernie Sanders on socialism related policies:



Barack Obama (ontheissues.org)

Self Described Socialist Bernie Sanders (ontheissues.org)

Favors topic 5:

More federal funding for health coverage

(-3 points on Economic scale) Strongly Favors topic 5:

More federal funding for health coverage

(-5 points on Economic scale) Strongly Opposes topic 6:

Privatize Social Security

(-5 points on Economic scale) Strongly Opposes topic 6:

Privatize Social Security

(-5 points on Economic scale) Strongly Favors topic 11:

Make taxes more progressive

(-5 points on Economic scale) Strongly Favors topic 11:

Make taxes more progressive

(-5 points on Economic scale)

Barack Obama was rated as the #1 most liberal senator in 2007 (even ahead of Bernie Sanders!) - " Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings." Source: Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal



Commentary on Barack Obama's Economic Policies - "Among other things, he is concerned about the "winner-take-all" economy where, he says, "the gains from economic growth skew heavily toward the wealthy." Actually, the gains from economic growth can skew toward anyone willing to work hard and make personal and family decisions that improve their chances for success. This is boilerplate wealth redistribution, an economic philosophy at the center of the former Soviet Union. Obama and Democrats wish to embrace it now in order to make more people dependent on government, rather than encourage people to rely on themselves and the opportunity America offers to most citizens, even illegal aliens. Guaranteed equal outcome is socialism. America was built on and sustained by a "can do" spirit. Today, too many are taught a "can't do" spirit. They are told that because of factors over which they have no control -- race, class, poverty -- it is impossible for them to do anything for themselves and so they must increasingly rely on government. Government doesn't cure poverty." Source: Cal Thomas via pressdemocrat



About Obama's Health Care Plan - "the costs would be staggering" Source: Stuart Butler via William Neikirk, The Swamp



"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project, most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it." - Ronald Reagan - [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs"]Video[/ame]



More Coming Soon...



Part 4 - Why is "ISM" so bad anyway?



#1 Reason - LOSS OF FREEDOM! A simple cartoon on the dangers of "ISM"







Ronald Reagan explains in this [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angbZB2WeMQ"]VIDEO[/ame] why capitalism is more productive than socialism



Hugo Chavez' socialist policies were to blame for oppression in Venezuela - "Food shortages are plaguing the country at the same time that oil revenues are driving a spending splurge on imported luxury goods, prompting criticism of President Hugo Chávez's socialist policies...Milk has all but vanished from shops...Families say eggs and sugar are also a memory...Government price controls on staple foods are so low that producers cannot make a profit" Source: Rory Carroll, The Guardian



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Shameful, fear mongering, tripe.
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Shameful, fear mongering, tripe.


That's what Republicans excel at.
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Shameful, fear mongering, tripe.
Only people with tin foil hats can read the quotes from "the man himself" and call it shameful, fear mongering tripe...
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And the Baracknophobia continues...



I love your 1st point BTW. Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr., left the family when Obama Jr was two. Guess he must have brainwashed his son into socialism during diaper changes LMAO.
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Shameful, fear mongering, tripe.




I can never quite understand why some Americans express such shock, horror and revulsion at the mere mention of socialism and communism.



The reality is that all successful economies have a mixture of both capitalist and socialist economic policies, and that includes the US.



There are plenty of countries with predominantly socialist policies that are doing very nicely thank you.



And 'Communist China' is rapidly becoming an economic behemoth, bankrolling America's economy in the process.



Although I personally am a great believer in capitalism, it is not without its flaws, and I can readily see many situations where socialism is a better solution
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And the Baracknophobia continues...



I love your 1st point BTW. Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr., left the family when Obama Jr was two. Guess he must have brainwashed his son into socialism during diaper changes LMAO.
It's kinda like a Korean insult, Neme sheme peck pogida that translates to Your mother has a hairless groin... well actually pogi... This is a terrible insult because it is a bloodline insult... It is taken as, you're the offspring of a child molester... You have a very bad family tree!
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It's kinda like a Korean insult, Neme sheme peck pogida that translates to Your mother has a hairless groin...



But some people like it shaven down there!



well actually pogi... This is a terrible insult because it is a bloodline insult... It is taken as, you're the offspring of a child molester... You have a very bad family tree!


Fail.



Even if Obama had a bad family tree, that doesn't make the man himself a bad person!
BTW, Obama and Odinga aren't cousins, this is pertaining to your fifth point.



snopes.com: Barack Obama and Kenya Connection



The second point of yours dealt with his mother and her supposed communist sympathies. Problem is neither link really connected her to anything remotely communist. No views, no organizations, nothing.



It's been alleged that George Bush Jr.'s grandfather, Prescott Bush, was involved in the Business Plot, a plan to overthrow FDR possibly by a military coup. Now there's a lot that I can say about Bush, but his grandfather's dealings have absolutely no impact on my opinion of him
. He isn't responsible for what his grandfather did or may have done. This logic is even more true in the case of Obama and his father, since Barack Obama Sr. left the family when his son was only two. He had played pretty much no part in raising Barack Obama Jr.



BTW, nice cut-and-paste job.


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I can never quite understand why some Americans express such shock, horror and revulsion at the mere mention of socialism and communism.



The reality is that all successful economies have a mixture of both capitalist and socialist economic policies, and that includes the US.



There are plenty of countries with predominantly socialist policies that are doing very nicely thank you.



And 'Communist China' is rapidly becoming an economic behemoth, bankrolling America's economy in the process.



Although I personally am a great believer in capitalism, it is not without its flaws, and I can readily see many situations where socialism is a better solution
I'm with you I think the liberals on the board should just suck it up and admit they like socialism and communism.



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Fail.



Even if Obama had a bad family tree, that doesn't make the man himself a bad person! BTW, Obama and Odinga aren't cousins, this is pertaining to your third point.



snopes.com: Barack Obama and Kenya Connection



The second point of yours dealt with his mother and her supposed communist sympathies. Problem is neither link really connected her to anything remotely communist. No views, no organizations, nothing.
She is was a left wing commie... I posted a quote from her on the other commie Obama thread here.



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It's been alleged that George Bush Jr.'s grandfather, Prescott Bush, was involved in the Business Plot, a plan to overthrow FDR possibly by a military coup. Now there's a lot that I can say about Bush, but his grandfather's dealings have absolutely no impact on my opinion of him. He isn't responsible for what his grandfather did or may have done. This logic is even more true in the case of Obama and his father, since Barack Obama Sr. left the family when his son was only two. He had played pretty much no part in raising Barack Obama Jr.



BTW, nice cut-and-paste job.

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All right, Obama didn't get his Marxist communist ideals from his parents but from those he continues to associate with. And I did not cut and paste from that site... I stole it from this site http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=15414 I post over there from time to time and the threadstarter gave me advance "right" to steal his research.



Some mature Korean women have no pubic hair, others just require close inspection and it is basis for an anullment under the Korean tradition... (they use public baths) and all the other women will giggle and point at the man with a wife with a peck pogie.



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The Newyorker magazine pretty much captured the essence of Obama...
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zack, seriously, do you have a life?



posting all this absolute rubbish doesn't do a thing for your credibility.



in fact, it makes me wonder if there is anything really bad about obama, since the only real negative things around are ones like the trash you posted here. Surely, if he were THAT bad, you could have something REAL to say about him.
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The Newyorker magazine pretty much captured the essence of Obama...


You mean the article in which they expose the absurd tripe written about him - as you have done here?



Or don 't you even KNOW what you're talking about?
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I'm with you I think the liberals on the board should just suck it up and admit they like socialism and communism.




Even President Bush and the Republican Party like some socialist policies, such as shoring up Fannie Mae and Bear Sterns, subsidising the US Agricultural sector through the Farm Bill and giving the public handouts via a 'stimulus package'.



Socialism isn't all bad!
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Even President Bush and the Republican Party like some socialist policies, such as shoring up Fannie Mae and Bear Sterns, subsidising the US Agricultural sector through the Farm Bill and giving the public handouts via a 'stimulus package'.



Socialism isn't all bad!
The American people usually enjoy some sort of check and balance between the left and the right. This usually is either the Senate or the President has enough control to check the extreme. Since FDR there has been some checks to keep the country from moving from one extreme to the other but this year if Obama would win along with a sweeping in the Senate and House we could end up with a Bernie Sanders America. Bernie Sanders | The Colbert Report | Comedy Central



Obama is moving to the center and pissing off the left but if the nation moves left and selects a left Senate and president it will end up being a far left season in America that will never rebound to the center.



So when you say Socialism isn't all bad! Perhaps we can agree that 'all Socialism isn't all good!
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So when you say Socialism isn't all bad! Perhaps we can agree that 'all Socialism isn't all good!


I would agree with you on that.



At the same time Capitalism isn't all good either!



Ask anyone who had shares in Enron or IndyMac Bank.



Or anyone who has been refused health insurance because they're sick.
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but this year if Obama would win along with a sweeping in the Senate and House we could end up with a Bernie Sanders America. Bernie Sanders | The Colbert Report | Comedy Central




I watched that clip.



It is amazing that countries as small as Finland can provide healthcare and college education for all its citizens as a right - yet the US provides neither



EVEN THOUGH THE US SPENDS TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA ON HEALTH CARE THAN ANY OTHER OECD NATION !!
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I watched that clip.



It is amazing that countries as small as Finland can provide healthcare and college education for all its citizens as a right - yet the US provides neither



EVEN THOUGH THE US SPENDS TWICE AS MUCH PER CAPITA ON HEALTH CARE THAN ANY OTHER OECD NATION !!
Maybe we should allow the government to nationalize all land and business and tax at 100% and then divide it up all nice and fair in the form of an allowance like tax refunds?



Could it be the reason our medical system cost so much is because the government has fucked it up? Maybe too many rules and way too many trial lawyers that force doctors to do very stupid things that waste money and contribute to bad health to protect themselves from trial lawyers.
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