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Old August 30th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #1
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Obama's budget and taxes???

When will Obama give the American people some clue of his spending (Free education and free healthcare) and his tax increases?



What is Obama hiding from the poor and middle-class?
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Old August 30th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #2
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When will Obama give the American people some clue of his spending (Free education and free healthcare) and his tax increases?



What is Obama hiding from the poor and middle-class?




It has already been posted for you by me.
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Exactly, how much will free healthcare and free education cost the American taxpayers?



Could you provide these costs and the increase in income taxes?



I don't expect you to do so. lol
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Now, we wouldn't want thems lower classes getting uppity and thinking they have special privileges, like being healthy and getting an education.



Well, first, just look how much money we would save by ending the war in Iraq.



Why is it people like you don't want to raise taxes to fund things that help us as a country?
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Exactly, how much will free healthcare and free education cost the American taxpayers?



Could you provide these costs and the increase in income taxes?



I don't expect you to do so. lol




You are none to bright. As far as health care we already the most expensive in the western world with one of the lowest one of the lowest health ratings. We already have "free education" ever hear of a public school?



And i provided you the info on income taxes.
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You are none to bright. As far as health care we already the most expensive in the western world with one of the lowest one of the lowest health ratings. We already have "free education" ever hear of a public school?



And i provided you the info on income taxes.
I pay $300 a month in school district taxes and this is what you call "Free"?



The US has the most expensive healthcare because it's the best private care in the world.

Now, you will probably cite the average life-span in the US.

This is a bogus comparison considering the fact that US inner city murder rates are the highest in the world.



Now, do you have anything to offer that is worthwhile?
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I pay $300 a month in school district taxes and this is what you call "Free"?


I guess you didn't notice the quotes.



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The US has the most expensive healthcare because it's the best private care in the world.

Now, you will probably cite the average life-span in the US.

This is a bogus comparison considering the fact that US inner city murder rates are the highest in the world.



Now, do you have anything to offer that is worthwhile?


Despite having the most costly health system in the world, the United States consistently underperforms on most dimensions of performance, relative to other countries. This report—an update to two earlier editions—includes data from surveys of patients, as well as information from primary care physicians about their medical practices and views of their countries' health systems. Compared with five other nations—Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom—the U.S. health care system ranks last or next-to-last on five dimensions of a high performance health system: quality, access, efficiency, equity, and healthy lives. The U.S. is the only country in the study without universal health insurance coverage, partly accounting for its poor performance on access, equity, and health outcomes. The inclusion of physician survey data also shows the U.S. lagging in adoption of information technology and use of nurses to improve care coordination for the chronically ill.



Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: An International Update on the Comparative Performance of American Health Care
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Despite having the most costly health system in the world, the United States consistently underperforms on most dimensions of performance, relative to other countries. This report—an update to two earlier editions—includes data from surveys of patients, as well as information from primary care physicians about their medical practices and views of their countries' health systems. Compared with five other nations—Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom—the U.S. health care system ranks last or next-to-last on five dimensions of a high performance health system: quality, access, efficiency, equity, and healthy lives. The U.S. is the only country in the study without universal health insurance coverage, partly accounting for its poor performance on access, equity, and health outcomes. The inclusion of physician survey data also shows the U.S. lagging in adoption of information technology and use of nurses to improve care coordination for the chronically ill.



Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: An International Update on the Comparative Performance of American Health Care
includes data from surveys of patients, as well as information from primary care physicians about their medical practices and views of their countries' health systems.



I'm not concerned about opinions from Doctors that are employed by the Govt.

Here is an article about a Liberal Canadian Politician that came to the US for cancer treatment. Notice the citizen's comments below this article on that same web page.

CTV.ca | Stronach went to U.S. for cancer treatment: report



Almost 15,000 French die from heat because Govt. Doctors were on vacation and they were not called

2003 European heat wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I'll keep my private healthcare, thank you!
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I pay $300 a month in school district taxes and this is what you call "Free"?



School district taxes? Do you mean property taxes?



This is a local tax not a federal tax. What has this to do with Obama?



The US has the most expensive healthcare because it's the best private care in the world.

Now, you will probably cite the average life-span in the US.

This is a bogus comparison considering the fact that US inner city murder rates are the highest in the world.



The best private care is little consolation for those who can't even afford medication.



Most people have an HMO because it is all they can afford.



We have one of the highest infant mortality rates in America, because we don't care about people in poverty....which is also why we have a high inner city murder rate.



Republicans don't want to pay taxes to support Americans, but they have no problem with corporate cronyism...why is that?



Now, do you have anything to offer that is worthwhile?


I watch him wipe the floor with your ass consistently.
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includes data from surveys of patients, as well as information from primary care physicians about their medical practices and views of their countries' health systems.



I'm not concerned about opinions from Doctors that are employed by the Govt.

Here is an article about a Liberal Canadian Politician that came to the US for cancer treatment. Notice the citizen's comments below this article on that same web page.

CTV.ca | Stronach went to U.S. for cancer treatment: report



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And I can come up with anecdotal stories of Americans going to Canada, Mexico, France, India for health care.
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And I can come up with anecdotal stories of Americans going to Canada, Mexico, France, India for health care.
Once again, you are being intellectually dishonest, dodging the point!

Americans may go to a foreign country that uses a drug not approved in the US because of greedy Lawyers, but that is rare and has nothing to do with politicians not providing proper basic healthcare.

15,000 died in france because Doctors were on vacation and the President blamed their relatives?

Here is another story about not enough hospitals being provided in Canada.

Women are forced to give birth in the USA.



Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | KOMO News - Seattle, Washington | News

SEATTLE -- A problem in Canada's hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.



Carri Ash of Chilliwack, B.C. was sent to the U.S. to have her baby after her water broke on Sunday, ten weeks ahead of schedule.



"And they came in and said 'you're going to Seattle,'" she said.



Ash's hospital couldn't handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn't have a neo-natal bed.



"So two provinces didn't have enough room, so I have to go to another country," said Ash.



Ash was sent to Swedish Medical Center where, nurses told KOMO 4 News, five Canadian women have come to have their babies in the past six weeks. Some were even airlifted at up to $5,000 per flight.



And a woman from Calgary, one of the wealthiest cities in Canada, had to travel to Montana to give birth to her identical quadruplets.



"We always regret when we have to transfer a baby or mother to another jurisdiction for care," said Canada's Health Minister George Abbott.



Aidan Nassey was born premature in Canada and developed breathing problems before his mother could even hold him.



"It was terrifying. And he was taken away and that was it," said Courtney Nassey, his mother.



There wasn't a hospital in western Canada that could take in Aidan, and a helicopter had to rush them to Seattle.
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I watch him wipe the floor with your ass consistently.
Hahahahaha see below!
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Hahahahaha see below!


The only thing I see below is "Victory in Iraq", which is another joke entirely.





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Once again, you are being intellectually dishonest, dodging the point!





Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | KOMO News - Seattle, Washington | News

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Again anecdotal.
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Now, we wouldn't want thems lower classes getting uppity and thinking they have special privileges, like being healthy and getting an education.



Well, first, just look how much money we would save by ending the war in Iraq.



Why is it people like you don't want to raise taxes to fund things that help us as a country?


If a pipe is clogged, more water won't help. You need to get rid of the garbage so the pipe can flow well.



We need to get rid of so much gov't spending; it worked under Clinton's welfare reform. Hey, the economy turned around; who would have known that people would work if they weren't given free money?
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I pay $300 a month in school district taxes and this is what you call "Free"?



The US has the most expensive healthcare because it's the best private care in the world.

Now, you will probably cite the average life-span in the US.

This is a bogus comparison considering the fact that US inner city murder rates are the highest in the world.



Now, do you have anything to offer that is worthwhile?


Right, Mexicans come here to have bad health care.

All those Hollyweird types and politicans who rant about reforming healthcare will still have private healthcare; they will fly their private jet to some private resort for their private coverage.
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When will Obama give the American people some clue of his spending (Free education and free healthcare) and his tax increases?



What is Obama hiding from the poor and middle-class?


Honesty is his middle name; or is it Hussein?
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You are none to bright. As far as health care we already the most expensive in the western world with one of the lowest one of the lowest health ratings. We already have "free education" ever hear of a public school?



And i provided you the info on income taxes.
I pay $300 a month in school district taxes and this is what you call "Free"?



The US has the most expensive healthcare because it's the best private care in the world.

Now, you will probably cite the average life-span in the US.

This is a bogus comparison considering the fact that US inner city murder rates are the highest in the world.



Now, do you have anything to offer that is worthwhile?
And we have the most deaths related to drug and alcohol use as well as the highest rates due to transportation accidents.
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I pay $300 a month in school district taxes and this is what you call "Free"?



School district taxes? Do you mean property taxes?



This is a local tax not a federal tax. What has this to do with Obama?




The US has the most expensive healthcare because it's the best private care in the world.

Now, you will probably cite the average life-span in the US.

This is a bogus comparison considering the fact that US inner city murder rates are the highest in the world.



The best private care is little consolation for those who can't even afford medication.



Most people have an HMO because it is all they can afford.



We have one of the highest infant mortality rates in America, because we don't care about people in poverty....which is also why we have a high inner city murder rate.



Republicans don't want to pay taxes to support Americans, but they have no problem with corporate cronyism...why is that?




Now, do you have anything to offer that is worthwhile?


I watch him wipe the floor with your ass consistently.
Infant mortality is also impacted by many of the same factors that affect life expectancy -- genetics, GDP per capita, diet, etc. -- all of which are factors beyond the control of a health care system. Another factor that makes U.S. infant mortality rates higher than other nations is that we have far more pregnant women living alone; in other nations pregnant women are more likely to be either be married or living with a partner. Pregnant women in such households are more likely to receive prenatal care than pregnant women living on their own.



Perhaps the biggest drawback of infant mortality is that it is measured too inconsistently across nations to be a useful measure. Under United Nations' guidelines, countries are supposed to count any infant showing any sign of life as a "live birth." While the United States follows that guideline, many other nations do not. For example, Switzerland does not count any infant born measuring less than 12 inches, while France and Belgium do not count any infant born prior to 26 weeks. In short, many other nations exclude many high-risk infants from their infant mortality statistics, making their infant mortality numbers look better than they really are.
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