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Old July 25th, 2006, 09:03 AM   #1
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Kill, Don't Capture

KILL, DON'T CAPTURE





HOW TO SOLVE OUR PRISONER PROBLEM





July 10, 2006 -- THE British military defines experience as the ability to recognize a mistake the second time you make it. By that standard, we should be very experienced in dealing with captured terrorists, since we've made the same mistake again and again.

Violent Islamist extremists must be killed on the battlefield. Only in the rarest cases should they be taken prisoner. Few have serious intelligence value. And, once captured, there's no way to dispose of them.



Killing terrorists during a conflict isn't barbaric or immoral - or even illegal. We've imposed rules upon ourselves that have no historical or judicial precedent. We haven't been stymied by others, but by ourselves.



The oft-cited, seldom-read Geneva and Hague Conventions define legal combatants as those who visibly identify themselves by wearing uniforms or distinguishing insignia (the latter provision covers honorable partisans - but no badges or armbands, no protection). Those who wear civilian clothes to ambush soldiers or collect intelligence are assassins and spies - beyond the pale of law.



Traditionally, those who masquerade as civilians in order to kill legal combatants have been executed promptly, without trial. Severity, not sloppy leftist pandering, kept warfare within some decent bounds at least part of the time. But we have reached a point at which the rules apply only to us, while our enemies are permitted unrestricted freedom.



The present situation encourages our enemies to behave wantonly, while crippling our attempts to deal with terror.



Consider today's norm: A terrorist in civilian clothes can explode an IED, killing and maiming American troops or innocent civilians, then demand humane treatment if captured - and the media will step in as his champion. A disguised insurgent can shoot his rockets, throw his grenades, empty his magazines, kill and wound our troops, then, out of ammo, raise his hands and demand three hots and a cot while he invents tales of abuse.



Conferring unprecedented legal status upon these murderous transnational outlaws is unnecessary, unwise and ultimately suicidal. It exalts monsters. And it provides the anti-American pack with living vermin to anoint as victims, if not heroes.



Isn't it time we gave our critics what they're asking for? Let's solve the "unjust" imprisonment problem, once and for all. No more Guantanamos! Every terrorist mission should be a suicide mission. With our help.



We need to clarify the rules of conflict. But integrity and courage have fled Washington. Nobody will state bluntly that we're in a fight for our lives, that war is hell, and that we must do what it takes to win.



Our enemies will remind us of what's necessary, though. When we've been punished horribly enough, we'll come to our senses and do what must be done.



This isn't an argument for a murderous rampage, but its opposite. We must kill our enemies with discrimination. But we do need to kill them. A corpse is a corpse: The media's rage dissipates with the stench. But an imprisoned terrorist is a strategic liability.



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Old July 25th, 2006, 10:08 AM   #2
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In the process we tarnish our image as a professional military, and a civilized nation... Brilliant. Not to metion the fact that we lose the ability to get intel from captured combatants.



I would venture to say that whoever wrote this has never spent a day in uniform.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 11:23 AM   #3
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Alias' philosophy can be summed up pretty easily:



Kill, death, murder, genocide, torture, maim, dismember, brutalize, punish.



This is the focus of attention.....he worships death, pain and agony.



This is called Satanism.



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Old July 26th, 2006, 05:48 AM   #4
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In the process we tarnish our image as a professional military, and a civilized nation... Brilliant. Not to metion the fact that we lose the ability to get intel from captured combatants.



I would venture to say that whoever wrote this has never spent a day in uniform.
Seconded. Furthermore, some of the people we've imprisoned were mistakenly captured and/or imprisoned (there's a German guy suing over that currently) so we'd also end up killing innocent people accidentally.
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In the process we tarnish our image as a professional military, and a civilized nation... Brilliant. Not to metion the fact that we lose the ability to get intel from captured combatants.



I would venture to say that whoever wrote this has never spent a day in uniform.


That is something we have to get over, the image thing. Some of you Americans are feeling guilty for being so powerful. You can't go through life wanting everyone to like you. You go through life doing what is right and when people try to stop you, you go around them or you kill them. Sooner or later you're going to have to kill them anyway. Liberals think they can talk them into agreement. I don't. Those who are against America will eventually try to stop America. Kill them now or kill them later after they kill millions of us. Your choice. It's coming.
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That is something we have to get over, the image thing. Some of you Americans are feeling guilty for being so powerful. You can't go through life wanting everyone to like you. You go through life doing what is right and when people try to stop you, you go around them or you kill them. Sooner or later you're going to have to kill them anyway. Liberals think they can talk them into agreement. I don't. Those who are against America will eventually try to stop America. Kill them now or kill them later after they kill millions of us. Your choice. It's coming.
America does not exist in a vacuum.
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Image and public perception is incredibly important.
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America does more for the people of this world than anyone. We give more money and more food and medical care in times of disaster than anyone. The American liberals have to realize that there are going to be enemies of America simply because we are America and what we stand for. That is what needs to be realized. There is evil in this world and it wants to crush us.
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America does more for the people of this world than anyone. We give more money and more food and medical care in times of disaster than anyone. The American liberals have to realize that there are going to be enemies of America simply because we are America and what we stand for. That is what needs to be realized. There is evil in this world and it wants to crush us.
There you go again with that stupid divisive crap of yours, and then you insist that it's the LIBERALS who are the "divisive" ones as you label them as the "enemy".



My main issue is that if we fight evil, we need to follow the rules to do so.

No violation of the Geneva convention.

No violation of the U.S. constitution.



You talk about "liberals" being the "enemy", but tell me WHO was trying to stop a legislative bill which required NO TORTURE???

You refuse to acknowledge what these things are really about, and you toe the propagandic line in coming to your absurd conclusions.
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