How the US could have won the Vietnam War - Page 7

locke23 · May 19th, 2016, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelT

You can't talk about the Vietnam war without including the Cold War, as the Cold War was the sole reason the USA got involved in Vietnam and it was the reason the USA fought it as it did.

Lol I literally said in the post you're quoting that talking about the Cold War is okay. What is wrong with you?

Toto2 · May 19th, 2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by locke23

I refuse to accept that. We cannot afford to fight a total war as that would most likely involve nukes. Not to mention even if it did remain conventional it would likely spiral out of control and result in an international crisis or even outright war.

I will never stoop to the level of our enemies. Our forces as a whole certainly won't. What's the point of fighting for our principles if we can't even uphold them? And I refuse to believe that the only way to win a war is to go against this thinking.

Our forces are fighting hamstrung and they detest it. The Rules of Engagement are complete bullshit. If you are my enemy and you are hiding your weapons in Mosques and Schools BOTH will be vaporized. The ONLY principle of War is Win. No other reason to fight it.

Toto2 · May 19th, 2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by locke23

We made friends with the USSR, with Saudi Arabia, and with another dozen countries that could arguably deserve the same kind of labeling.

Sorry, Russia was never our friend, they got outspent and regrouped. You are seeing the real Russia now, aggressive and forceful. Saudi Arabia is a snake, they bit us on 9/11.

webguy4 · May 19th, 2016, 01:41 PM

Fighting a war without trying, planning, intending to win is perhaps the greatest war crime of all.

locke23 · May 19th, 2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto2

Our forces are fighting hamstrung and they detest it. The Rules of Engagement are complete bullshit. If you are my enemy and you are hiding your weapons in Mosques and Schools BOTH will be vaporized. The ONLY principle of War is Win. No other reason to fight it.

Bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyfHIji4fPg

locke23 · May 19th, 2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto2

Sorry, Russia was never our friend, they got outspent and regrouped. You are seeing the real Russia now, aggressive and forceful. Saudi Arabia is a snake, they bit us on 9/11.

They were our friend briefly, now I'm not sure what they are, but they are not the enemy. That at least I know. Until evidence comes out that demonstrates that Saudi Arabia planned and/or funded 9/11 that is a load of crap. Yes Saudis were involved but as far as we know the government wasn't.

Toto2 · May 19th, 2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by locke23

Bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyfHIji4fPg

It's easy to be an idealist when you've never been in a Combat situation. It's easy to pretend you are Captain Courageous when nobody has died in your arms. I'll let you continue your pretend war theory with someone else son.

Toto2 · May 19th, 2016, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by locke23

Honour the requests that I made.

You henceforth shall be known as "Captain Canada". Allow me to add that I do NOT mean that in a derogatory manner. I don't, but you have much to learn, and you need to learn it the hard way. Not from what the "Officers" tell you but from the men who live in the shit on the ground.

Twisted Sister · May 19th, 2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by locke23

They tolerated it in the strategic bombing campaigns of WW2.

Held on? Well that's obvious: establish permanent bases with set amount of troops to be left there (just like in other NATO allies during the Cold War, because of course eventually South Vietnam would have to join NATO) and then something similar to Vietnamization would go down. Then they're be a steady withdrawal of US troops from the area and the US would take North Vietnam to the negotiating table now that they had the diplomatic upper hand.

They would have had to join SEATO. South East Asia Treaty Organization. NATO is North Atlantic Treaty Organization. SEATO and the Republic of Vietnam are no longer in existence.

locke23 · May 19th, 2016, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto2

It's easy to be an idealist when you've never been in a Combat situation. It's easy to pretend you are Captain Courageous when nobody has died in your arms. I'll let you continue your pretend war theory with someone else son.

That Lt. General has never seen combat? Those who make up high command of our countries have never seen combat? The majority of our military members have never seen combat?

May 19th, 2016, 01:41 PM	#64
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