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Old August 24th, 2016, 06:57 PM   #11
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Please don't play into his childish deflections. The fact of the matter is that the Pentagon budget has increased every year Obama has been in office and this year they will receive a record $650 billion. The Pentagon's books are so messed up that they are un-auditable.
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No, not really.
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So what?

No seriously , so what that Bill got a blow-job from an intern and HRC did not seem terrible upset about it.
Was it REALLY anyone else's business other than theirs?

This is incredibly funny. Sabcat spins the topic from the U.S. military protecting us to Bill Clinton's blow-job with an intern?? It's remarkable to say the least.
Never mind the fact that Billy Boy isn't running for president and that any number of other presidents have done the same......but Bill's sexual addiction somehow makes Hillary unfit for the presidency? That's quite a leap, but if we really want to expand/expound on that, let's talk about Trump's sex life, shall we??
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This is incredibly funny. Sabcat spins the topic from the U.S. military protecting us to Bill Clinton's blow-job with an intern?? It's remarkable to say the least.
Never mind the fact that Billy Boy isn't running for president and that any number of other presidents have done the same......but Bill's sexual addiction somehow makes Hillary unfit for the presidency? That's quite a leap, but if we really want to expand/expound on that, let's talk about Trump's sex life, shall we??
I know, funny as all hell.
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People in hell are drinking ice water. I agree. I've said it for years. We are NOT that world's policeman. It is not our job to fix the worlds problems. It's not the government's job to protect CORPORATE interests over seas. It's time that Europe and the middle east step up with both troops and money and take care of their own security. We spend more on our military than the next 7 countries COMBINED, including Russia and China !!!

And to take it another step, I have a real issue with US corporations complaining about the tax rates, hiding money off shore, not paying any taxes at all, while at the same time benefiting from the stability and security provided by the American military.

Just one example. Why are we SOOO worried about the middle east, while at the same time largely ignoring Boko Haram in Africa ??? Why did we sit by and do next to nothing in Darfur even though we knew exactly where the leader lived and could have easily sent a drone or a Tomahawk and wiped his compound off the face of the planet ??

The answer ? Simple, those regions of Africa have nothing we need or want.
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People in hell are drinking ice water. I agree. I've said it for years. We are NOT that world's policeman. It is not our job to fix the worlds problems. It's not the government's job to protect CORPORATE interests over seas. It's time that Europe and the middle east step up with both troops and money and take care of their own security. We spend more on our military than the next 7 countries COMBINED, including Russia and China !!!

And to take it another step, I have a real issue with US corporations complaining about the tax rates, hiding money off shore, not paying any taxes at all, while at the same time benefiting from the stability and security provided by the American military.

Just one example. Why are we SOOO worried about the middle east, while at the same time largely ignoring Boko Haram in Africa ??? Why did we sit by and do next to nothing in Darfur even though we knew exactly where the leader lived and could have easily sent a drone or a Tomahawk and wiped his compound off the face of the planet ??

The answer ? Simple, those regions of Africa have nothing we need or want.
Exactly. That is why the UN or no one else actually gives a shit about Africa. No money in it. Fuck em. As far as the US corporations I cant blame them for leaving. If your going to have a open free trade system, and then make it more expensive to be located in the United States why in the fuck would you stay? It is illogical to champion free trade deals and at the same time bitch about corporate inversion. Basically if your a Chinese corporation, you are not required to pay US taxes but due to trade agreements you get to sell your goods in our market with no penalty. If your a US based corporation, you outsource your labor, then you sell the goods in the US market, but you have to pay US taxes. Why would you see this as being smart policy? Because it comes back to the money..
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Exactly. That is why the UN or no one else actually gives a shit about Africa. No money in it. Fuck em. As far as the US corporations I cant blame them for leaving. If your going to have a open free trade system, and then make it more expensive to be located in the United States why in the fuck would you stay? It is illogical to champion free trade deals and at the same time bitch about corporate inversion. Basically if your a Chinese corporation, you are not required to pay US taxes but due to trade agreements you get to sell your goods in our market with no penalty. If your a US based corporation, you outsource your labor, then you sell the goods in the US market, but you have to pay US taxes. Why would you see this as being smart policy? Because it comes back to the money..
Oh I understand the reasons corporations move offshore. Though I do believe many of them are being shortsighted. Entirely too focused on today's profits and bonuses rather than taking a long game approach. As jobs move off shore, the number of people able to afford the products and services a company offers gets smaller and smaller. Sooner or later, their ability to do business here will be diminished.

My point was, there are many places in the world where business (of any nationality) would be hard pressed to do business were it not for the presence of the US military, or at least the threat that we will intervene if trouble pops up. In my opinion, when you get right down to it, far too much of our foreign policy is shaped by the very corporations that are moving jobs out of the country and avoiding taxes.
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Oh I understand the reasons corporations move offshore. Though I do believe many of them are being shortsighted. Entirely too focused on today's profits and bonuses rather than taking a long game approach. As jobs move off shore, the number of people able to afford the products and services a company offers gets smaller and smaller. Sooner or later, their ability to do business here will be diminished.

My point was, there are many places in the world where business (of any nationality) would be hard pressed to do business were it not for the presence of the US military, or at least the threat that we will intervene if trouble pops up. In my opinion, when you get right down to it, far too much of our foreign policy is shaped by the very corporations that are moving jobs out of the country and avoiding taxes.
Valid point in my opinion
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People in hell are drinking ice water. I agree. I've said it for years. We are NOT that world's policeman. It is not our job to fix the worlds problems. It's not the government's job to protect CORPORATE interests over seas. It's time that Europe and the middle east step up with both troops and money and take care of their own security. We spend more on our military than the next 7 countries COMBINED, including Russia and China !!!

And to take it another step, I have a real issue with US corporations complaining about the tax rates, hiding money off shore, not paying any taxes at all, while at the same time benefiting from the stability and security provided by the American military.

Just one example. Why are we SOOO worried about the middle east, while at the same time largely ignoring Boko Haram in Africa ??? Why did we sit by and do next to nothing in Darfur even though we knew exactly where the leader lived and could have easily sent a drone or a Tomahawk and wiped his compound off the face of the planet ??

The answer ? Simple, those regions of Africa have nothing we need or want.


I really get what you are saying and I think we are ALL sick of the U.S. policing the world, BUT...(you knew there was a BUT).....think of it this way. The U.S. is like Big Brother who takes responsibility/feels responsible for Baby Brother who's always getting in the soup. Baby Brother is just minding his own business when a Bob the Bully steals his lunch money or rips up his homework or pulls his gym shorts down. Now....what's Big Brother going to do about this problem? If he stays OUT OF IT, Bob the Bully is going to beat the crap out of Baby Brother, putting Baby Bro in the hospital. If Big Bro steps in and takes out Bob the Bully Baby Bro has learned a very valuable lesson: Big Brother will take care of me so all I have to do is play helpless. What's the solution?
Tough love?? No love? Occasional love? Unconditional love?
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