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Old September 17th, 2017, 05:25 PM   #31
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Why is having females in combat considered to be a desirable outcome?
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Old September 17th, 2017, 09:07 PM   #32
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Why is having females in combat considered to be a desirable outcome?
the desired outcome is that there is no instance, no occasion where someone is told "i know you are able to do that task, but you arent allowed to do it because you are a woman"

the desired outcome is that men and women train the same, are skilled up the same, are considered equally capable soldiers, and none of them ever see a shot fired in anger.

(we dont always get what we desire)
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the desired outcome is that there is no instance, no occasion where someone is told "i know you are able to do that task, but you arent allowed to do it because you are a woman"

the desired outcome is that men and women train the same, are skilled up the same, are considered equally capable soldiers, and none of them ever see a shot fired in anger.

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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. William Congrave
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Old September 19th, 2017, 10:22 AM   #34
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So my parents should just have let Hitler and Hirohito run over the world?
My father and his brothers(except one who fought the War in the Pacific)were all over there in WWII also! One died in the Juno Beach Landing on D-Day; my father's company was held back and sent over in the weeks after the Invasion. But, here's the rub: unlike most of my uncles, who shined up their medals and put on their dress uniforms for Remembrance Day and occasional veterans events, my father was the contrarian, who always believed that WWII happened because the Allies(especially Churchill) were more concerned with organizing an alliance to destroy and remove the government of the Soviet Union, and were more than willing to include Hitler and his Nazi Government in that alliance if they would just play ball with the west!

He was also aware...as were most others who read the daily newspapers between the great wars, that Hitler's rise was made possible by the extreme post-war conditions and debts imposed on Germany after WWI that bankrupted the Nation completely.

But, it wasn't until after Germany went about taking back lost territories and expanding the Empire by taking new territories like eastern Poland, that Churchill and FDR finally decided that the Soviets would have to wait until Hitler was dealt with. All through the military buildup of Nazi Germany, US manufacturers were free to deal with the Germans(and did),and British banks loaned millions to finance the German economy.

So, the pattern looks familiar: creating or allowing the creation of a despotic, unnecessary enemy...seeking rapprochement as had been done and continues to be done with all sorts of fascists and despots who will do business, and only when the fascist force is unreasonable and determined to be the dominant empire, is there a mobilization to take them out.

And yet years later, every damn acceptable history book of the pre-war period laments the allies inaction and indecisiveness and becomes the excuse for permanent armies and permanent vigilance ever since...even though the whole damn thing could have been avoided right from the start if a defeated nation hadn't been pushed to the point of desperation....and the rest is history, and becomes the excuse for "just wars" and "humanitarian invasions" ever since!
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Ya can quibble about how Hitler rose to power (what about Hirohito?, wait don't answer that)' they still needed to be stopped. Maybe it's the same sort of screw up with Obama giving rise to the caliphate, still needs to be stopped, and we're gonna have to kill people and break things to do it.
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Why is having females in combat considered to be a desirable outcome?
To make military and warfare more socially acceptable! Our post-feminist culture has to at least pretend that warfare serves the interests of women as well as men.

Traditionally, military has been an all-male enterprise, and the big concern for the generals and war planners has always been women who've lost sons in long, bloody wars becoming a disruptive force and demanding an end to the war...as thousands...maybe millions of women did on both sides of the Great War and led to the first wave of feminism being led by strongly antiwar leaders demanding an end to war.

Unfortunately, the League of Nations that was set up to prevent future European wars was totally useless, but I'm sure the psychologists and deep thinkers behind military strategy in recent decades have been working on the problem of enlisting the female half of the population to support their empire-building dreams.

Nowadays, I occasionally see high school girls wearing camo pants as a fashion statement, so I guess it's working for now.
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Old September 19th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #37
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Ya can quibble about how Hitler rose to power (what about Hirohito?, wait don't answer that)' they still needed to be stopped. Maybe it's the same sort of screw up with Obama giving rise to the caliphate, still needs to be stopped, and we're gonna have to kill people and break things to do it.
Ask yourself: would Japan have been able to invade and plunder China if England hadn't destroyed its government and economy, and with US help, maintained China as a set of balkanized interests they continued to exploit with the aid of imported drugs? And would the Japanese Empire have ventured so far as to take on the American Empire if the US had not imposed a trade embargo that included preventing oil and coal shipments from reaching Japan. We learned after the War that Admiral Yamamoto...who had spent time traveling across the US and had learned English, had strongly advised against going to war with the US regardless...mostly because of America's almost unlimited resources and manufacturing capacity...but his advise went unheeded and the rest is history!

If China had been allowed to develop according to its own course, a Japanese Invasion wouldn't have been possible and Japan would have risked war with its neighbours much earlier if it went about seizing territories of the Pacific.

Makes me recall that the last time China had an empire...around the 12th century, they built great ships that were crossing the Pacific and Indian Oceans and establishing trade partnerships. But the Chinese Empire of that time did not seek to carry armies with them to seize foreign territories! At some point, historians and sociologists...who have been marinating in the bullshit of the European Enlightenment need to ask themselves: what made European empires and their cultures and religions so bent on exterminating other races or enslaving them for human exploitation while they searched the lands for mineral wealth to plunder! Instead of seeing the Enlightenment as the great leap of culture and civilization, it needs to be seen for what it is: the beginning of the most aggressive and avaricious culture the world had ever seen, and one that through its economic theorizing, has infected every other culture in the world today.

Today, in a world where Donald Trump is threatening to destroy North Korea...which will almost certainly lead to the destruction of South Korea as well and possibly begin a cascade of nuclear warheads from China and Russia going who-knows-where, what was obvious when the nuclear arms race was allowed to begin should be more obvious now: any war involving nuclear-armed nations carries with it the threat of extinction for all, and the deliberate for-profit saber-rattling that has led to this point needs to end now. We cannot afford psychopaths in the militaries, weapons-making corporations and spy agencies to keep the pot boiling to play out their games at our expense!
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If destruction rains down on the world over Korea it will be fore the same reason it did as Hitler, because years of appeasement let things go to far.
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Old September 19th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #39
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Bull. If women were running this nation and the military it would be a hell of a lot better.
Having a few women in high places won't change the pattern..as we can see from past female heads-of-state and one US attempted president, the tendency for females seeking high office is to be more aggressive, militaristic and threatening than the boys are. It's Hillary Clinton's entire political strategy for the past 20 years!

Having a gender balance 50-50 in legislatures would be a big help; but I don't think the culture can change much until the underlying framework which is built by and serves the interests of a small, filthy rich white male oligarchy is dealt with. In traditional societies...I'll use the Iroquois and other longhouse communities of the east coast as an example: the division of labor and power was roughly equal, but the men were given authority over the external tasks which aside from hunting, included warfare and defending the village. A warchief..especially one with great success in battle, was most likely to counsel war as a first option when there was any kind of dispute...especially territorial dispute with a neighbouring tribe. Other chiefs might be less inclined to go to war, but the big stumbling block for the Iroquois version of John McCain were the clan mothers, whose association had the power to fire and remove any chiefs they felt were not leading in the best interests of the community. And that's the kind of female overriding power that existed until the rise of plundering patriarchal societies, that is sorely needed in our dangerous times today!
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If destruction rains down on the world over Korea it will be fore the same reason it did as Hitler, because years of appeasement let things go to far.
Actually that is part of it, the other though would be China. China can stop them but they don't want to.
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