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Old December 8th, 2017, 01:01 AM   #41
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Stalin said the US Canada and UK plotted to have millions of Russians die while we sat in England waiting for the Soviets to shed the blood.
Since when have you cared what Stalin said.

Stalin was an ally of Hitler until he attacked him. Up until the very day the SU was attacked Stalin was supplying Hitler with the fuel and resources that he needed to fight the Allies.
In fact if he hadn't supplied Hitler they wouldn't have been able to stockpile enough war supplies to attack the SU.
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What would have happened if instead of attacking Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had attacked the tank farm on the hill above Pearl Harbor, and destroyed the oil and gasoline supplies.

When asked after the war, the Japanese war planners said it never crossed their minds, they couldn't imagine the "Rich Nation" without oil.
They could have used oil tankers moored in the port. It wouldn't have been as convenient but it would have been doable, and it wouldn't have been for long as replacing these tanks would have been a matter of a few months at most .
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Since when have you cared what Stalin said.

Stalin was an ally of Hitler until he attacked him. Up until the very day the SU was attacked Stalin was supplying Hitler with the fuel and resources that he needed to fight the Allies.
In fact if he hadn't supplied Hitler they wouldn't have been able to stockpile enough war supplies to attack the SU.
Don't care for stalin, me caring or not caring does not change history.

But Stalin saved 100s of 1000s of US lives in the invasion of Europe.

Good chance you and I are here because of the blood spilled by the Soviet Union during WW2, if good chance neither of our fathers would have survived the war.

the US Lost 216,000 in WW2, Russian losses ~20,000,000 ~100;1
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The Anglo-Portuguese alliance dates back to 1386 with the signing of the Treaty of Windsor, a mere 731 years
Ha! I was close. Only off by 500 years.

I'm feeling pretty lucky. Anyone up for an game of darts?
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They could have used oil tankers moored in the port. It wouldn't have been as convenient but it would have been doable, and it wouldn't have been for long as replacing these tanks would have been a matter of a few months at most .
If they had the tankers, which were in short supply, large numbers of which were in the Atlantic bringing fuel to Britain.
The effect on naval operations, may have been more or less or the same as the attack that at occurred. But the political situation in the US would have: been very different.
The antiwar sentiment would not be as easy to overcome with pictures of a fire that produced no casualties.
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What would have happened if instead of attacking Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had attacked the tank farm on the hill above Pearl Harbor, and destroyed the oil and gasoline supplies.

The US Navy in the Pacific would have to operate out of California, there would have been no bloody shirt to wave.
It would have been difficult if not impossible to unite the nation over an oil fire.
And the effect on naval operations in the Pacific would have been more devastating than the result of the Pearl Harbor attack, an intact ship without fuel can't go any farther than a sunken ship. The carriers that were victorious at Midway, would have been tied up without fuel.

When asked after the war, the Japanese war planners said it never crossed their minds, they couldn't imagine the "Rich Nation" without oil.
That was on the agenda for the 3rd wave of the attacks. The oil storage and the dry docks/repair area. That wave was called off because the Japanese Admiral more or less lost his nerve. His scout planes could still not locate the two American aircraft carriers known to be based at Pearl and quite frankly had an decisive victory with no significant losses in men, aircraft or ships. So he called off the 3rd wave attack and headed for home.

However, I agree. Destroying just fuel dump w/o attacking Pearl would have been a master stroke.
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You do understand during WW2 the US was the worlds largest Oil supplier. We supplied oil for the Soviet Union, UK, and Australia war machines.
What does that have to do with his post?
Of course the fuel storage depot at Pearl could have been replaced, but it would have taken time.
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A big negative for the Japanese was that the Air Craft Carriers..Enterprise, Yorktown and Lexington were not at Pearl when the Japanese attacked... The Battleships would prove to be an obsolete weapons system as the War wore on.. So their damage did not mean much...

2nd major mistake was that the Japanese withdrew and did not make a 2nd attack and take out the Navy's oil storage tanks on Ford Island....Either of these would have made a drastic change in the War in the Pacific... Probably forcing the USA to surrender the Philippines, the Western Pacific and Leaving Australia to the mercy of the Japanese...
We did surrender the Philippines.
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The slow typing part is a myth that was further entrenched by Hollywood (not you, the US movie industry).

Japanese Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura, was attending a funeral for Colonel Shinjo. The funeral was meant to be a quick ceremony, but the priest giving the sermon dragged on and on and it took two hours before it was over. The original appointment with Hull timed to be immediately after the funeral but was postponed due to a long-winded Japanese Shinto priest that droned on and on...........
Thank you.

My point remains, what if the war declaration had been delivered on time?
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What does that have to do with his post?
Of course the fuel storage depot at Pearl could have been replaced, but it would have taken time.
I didn't say anything about REPLACING IT. hello We shipped fuel to the USSR during the war long before D-Day, we were shipping fuel to the UK in 1940 (we didn't enter the war until 1941... getting fuel from point a to point b was not an issue with us.
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