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Old March 11th, 2018, 11:21 AM   #21
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Some pretty simplistic views embedded in all those words

Whatever helps you sleep at night i guess.

There are a lot more reasons that other people are upset with the US, than the 3 you mentioned. I am not saying those 3 are not important, but the US has done a lot of shit over the years and pissed a lot of people off. Also, the what, 2 reasons or whatever that you mentioned later on about fighting us, instead of just "cultural differences" why wouldnt you see it as defending one's culture, land, and heritage against a superior invading force? I am pretty sure many of the tribes in Afghanistan see it that way, and not just a cultural difference

By the way, ISIS is not gone yet, unfortunately. And ..... Afghanistan certainly is still in danger of being a hot bed for radical Islamic groups, or have you not had your class on that war yet

By the way, nobody is supporting harsh tyrants, and calling your enemies "animals" is like some horrible old school way of demonizing and dehumanizing not only your enemy, but other people who live there. We are better than that now, or damn well should be.
Yes, I have had classes on Afghanistan. I’ve also had the chance to listen to dozens of veterans from that war share their expertise on the subject.

Actually, several polls in Afghanistan over the past decade show that the vast majority of the people there despise the Taliban far more than NATO forces and their government. Most Taliban members therefore are motivated by religion. Yes, many have some sense of patriotism, but it’s regional, not in any sense a belief in Aghanistan as a nation. Those people can be found fighting the Taliban.

ISIS is finished. They have no land, no money, no resources, no popular support. Just like Al Qaeda, they’re another enemy we were told we couldn’t defeat, and then proceeded to defeat.

I am not calling the people who live in those regions animals! Do not put words in my mouth. I said people like Al Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc they are animals. Theyre scum. They kill, rape and enslave the innocent peace loving people of those regions. They don’t deserve our mercy.
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Old March 11th, 2018, 11:55 AM   #22
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US military ended Fascism in Europe that committed Genocide of ~7-8 million jews Gypsies, mentally ill and other "mongrel" races (to use Margaret Sanger's term)

US Military actions caused the fall of the USSR freed Eastern Europe, and ended a regime that executed 20,000,000 of it's own citizens

US military action ended a Regime in Iraq that executed 700,000 and committed Genocide against the Kurds

US Military action has ended ISIS control of Syria and N. Iraq that was committing genocide of Christians, Women, a "Non-Believers"
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Old March 11th, 2018, 11:59 AM   #23
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US military ended Fascism in Europe that committed Genocide of ~7-8 million jews Gypsies, mentally ill and other "mongrel" races (to use Margaret Sanger's term)

US Military actions caused the fall of the USSR freed Eastern Europe, and ended a regime that executed 20,000,000 of it's own citizens

US military action ended a Regime in Iraq that executed 700,000 and committed Genocide against the Kurds

US Military action has ended ISIS control of Syria and N. Iraq that was committing genocide of Christians, Women, a "Non-Believers"
Hey don’t forget we helped! Stop stealing all the credit lol
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Yes, I have had classes on Afghanistan. I’ve also had the chance to listen to dozens of veterans from that war share their expertise on the subject.

Actually, several polls in Afghanistan over the past decade show that the vast majority of the people there despise the Taliban far more than NATO forces and their government. Most Taliban members therefore are motivated by religion. Yes, many have some sense of patriotism, but it’s regional, not in any sense a belief in Aghanistan as a nation. Those people can be found fighting the Taliban.

ISIS is finished. They have no land, no money, no resources, no popular support. Just like Al Qaeda, they’re another enemy we were told we couldn’t defeat, and then proceeded to defeat.

I am not calling the people who live in those regions animals! Do not put words in my mouth. I said people like Al Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc they are animals. Theyre scum. They kill, rape and enslave the innocent peace loving people of those regions. They don’t deserve our mercy.
Did you read about all those areas in Afghanistan where the Taliban either operates openly, without trouble, or in areas where they can consistently carry out blatant and destructive attacks on civilians/ISAF/Afghan forces?

Because the report that came out about that a month or so ago was pretty damn bleak.

By the way, when you refer to some people as animals, it is true that you are dehumanizing more than just the ones you mean. It has a ripple effect that can and does lead to less empathy for those like them. Dont get sucked into that, you seem very smart and i like your views. Dont allow yourself to get pulled into thinking the wrong way.
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Old March 11th, 2018, 12:24 PM   #25
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Of course U.S. wants too do better way and western like France / UK but in Syria conflicts is regime and Russia or IS and nothing victivizism by western supporter rebells and kurds does winning because those two are clearly a lost in Syria conflicts in my knowledge.
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It is my understanding that much of the terrorism over the past couple of decades has been retaliation against the actions of the militaries of western governments like the U.S. Without the aggressive military action of these governments, especially the U.S., it seems likely to me that ordinary people living in the U.S. and Europe would have little reason to worry about terrorist attacks.

I get this impression from articles like this one from the Intercept, book chapters like this one from Michael Huemer's book The Problem of Political Authority, and various similar sources.

Do others here think this is a correct impression? What opinions do others have?

Also, I would like to see the U.S. government's military scaled down as much as is possible. (I want it abolished altogether, but I figure it might be easier to persuade others to at least want it scaled down.) Who else here wants to see it scaled down or abolished?
The military plays a role of "politics by other means" but it isn't the main reason, i think, for the existence of terrorism. Its role is minor, until its role explosively isn't. Pardon the pun.

Aside from politics (re: Israel. Lets ignore this particular bull in a china shop and acknowledge the other reasons) to begin with a few reasons i think terrorism exists is the spread of western culture and technology, the pros and cons of soft power.

The weakness of middle eastern governments and their mismanagement of their societies, plus our meddling in said areas and the inadvertent cover we provide for them by having something for these governments to blame.
By our meddling, i mean all the governments on earth and not just one particular country in general. But yes, the power players can't be ignored: Russia, US, China, the EU (particularly its more powerful countries) and not too mention the regional powers of Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia and too a limited extent, now Turkey.

Islamic conservative extreme radicals whose world view and power are challenged by both invading secular thoughts and different global religions. They are weak and scared shitless

Unequal wealth distribution. We talk about it here until we're blue in the face, but we know jack shit about it. I mean when i think about it, poor people from the middle east aren't attacking us en masse. Even if they wanted too, they lack all sort of resources in doing so. Sooooooo....
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US military ended Fascism in Europe that committed Genocide of ~7-8 million jews Gypsies, mentally ill and other "mongrel" races (to use Margaret Sanger's term)

US Military actions caused the fall of the USSR freed Eastern Europe, and ended a regime that executed 20,000,000 of it's own citizens

US military action ended a Regime in Iraq that executed 700,000 and committed Genocide against the Kurds

US Military action has ended ISIS control of Syria and N. Iraq that was committing genocide of Christians, Women, a "Non-Believers"
The US ended Fascism in Europe? In Italy, we certainly were (with the UK & their other allies) the prime movers. It you mean Hitler's Germany, that was the USSR doing the heavy lifting - inflicting & taking massive losses. From the USSR's POV, I'm sure they considered the US as merely a promising ally. & genocide isn't the charge against the Nazis - attempted genocide, perhaps - as they appeared willing to kill all their political or @ least non-Aryan enemies.

Did Sanger actually say mongrel? She may have, I'm just curious. & of course, @ the time, eugenics was a kind of political fad - & included people (H. Ford, T. Roosevelt, a lot of others) who were concerned abut the fading away of the Caucasian race - which was lots of the movers & shakers among the elites. Possibly except for the Roman Catholic Church leadership - as I recall.

Did US military action end the Cold War? I understood that the USSR just couldn't compete economically, couldn't provide ordinary minimums - food, fuel, shelter, clothing, medical care, education - to their people & allies - the resources just weren't there, & it was becoming glaringly obvious that the resources would never be there, under central planning as they practiced it. But was there some famous battle between the US & the USSR that ended the Cold War? Did I miss something along the way?

Yah, we toppled Saddam Hussein, right enough. & again, genocide isn't the charge - it doesn't merely mean killed a lot.

The last one - the jury is still out on Iraq & Syria. In many ways, I think we would have done better to have left S. Hussein in power - he was doing a lot of the things we wanted him to, but he was ruthless in terms of holding all political power in Iraq.
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Did you read about all those areas in Afghanistan where the Taliban either operates openly, without trouble, or in areas where they can consistently carry out blatant and destructive attacks on civilians/ISAF/Afghan forces?

Because the report that came out about that a month or so ago was pretty damn bleak.

By the way, when you refer to some people as animals, it is true that you are dehumanizing more than just the ones you mean. It has a ripple effect that can and does lead to less empathy for those like them. Dont get sucked into that, you seem very smart and i like your views. Dont allow yourself to get pulled into thinking the wrong way.
I think I read what you might be referring to, and that is entirely due to fear, nothing else. Also, the government has not established itself powerfully enough yet in more rural areas. This takes time. Because first the government has to train, build infrastructure, stabilize the economy, etc, before setting out on operations as large as those we did before the major withdrawals of 2011 onward. The period we’re currently in is called the Transition Stage in Counterinsurgency Theory, and it is the most crucial and one of the more violent times in the entire war, b/c there is a necessary drop in friendly force output while they regroup for the final push, and an increase for the enemy as they try to take the opportunity to seize power before it’s too late.
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Terrorists are stronger than former president's expects typo this Taliban in Afghanistan even they lost super jihadist Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan border U.S. troops kill him.
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Terrorists are stronger than former president's expects typo this Taliban in Afghanistan even they lost super jihadist Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan border U.S. troops kill him.
Lets not forget ISIS is the JV team..
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