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Old May 22nd, 2018, 01:06 PM   #11
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It's not Israel that's the problem It's the Likud party. The majority of Israel isn't Likud, and doesn't support Netanyahu, or the relationship he has with Republicans in the US. What's need is an organized effort by US, European, and Israeli operatives to undermine, and destroy the Likud party in Israel.

And for anyone who thinks that's out of line, let me refresh your short memory of how Likud and Republicans in the US, did everything they could to undermine President Obama. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that is off the table to destroy the Likud party in Israel, or the Republican party in the US.
No, it's Israel! The Labour Party started the land confiscation policies and settlement expansions...all be it more slowly than the ruthless land grabs and forced exodus after Likud became the main party of government.

In a sense, the Likud is Israel's Republican Party with their brazen, unapologetic policies/ but their Dems...the Labour Party are hardly any better...unwilling to challenge the worst Zionist policies and quietly and slowly carrying out the same policies when they had power under guys like Ehud Barak. Just like the Dems, Israelis who are getting 2nd thoughts about Netayahu's crazy ideas will get little or no relief if a Labour Government came in and turfed him out. All that would happen is slower rates of land seizures and maybe they wouldn't seize all of Gaza and the West Banks water supplies for Israeli agriculture and swimming pools! Nevertheless, they don't offer real opposition!
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The US has the most weapons. China has the second most weapons. The little country of Saudi Arabia comes in third as the nation with the most weapons! When Saudi Arabia's oil is exhausted, it will not passively sink back into poverty, but it will use those weapons for economic reasons. Involvement with this is equal to supporting Hitler and Trump could be making grave mistakes by playing games with the leader of Saudi Arabia.



How well do you like Saudi Arabia dictating our political affairs?



Do you notice Trump's actions follow his talks with the Saudis? Claiming the deal Obama made with Iran was illegal is just bull shit. The change was made because the Saudis wanted it made.

It is dangerous. But the motivation behind it, to enrich the personal assets of the Trump family, is impeachable . You know he has personal deals going with Saudi Arabia since the campaign. With the UAE, also. So, they get favored treatment. THAT is FAR more dangerous of a policy.

I truly think he will turn over the classified information from the Mueller Investigation Nunes gives him to Putin so he can get his Trump tower in Moscow.
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In my mind, Israel and Saudi Arabia are not our allies. They know how vulnerable we are with this crazy nutjob in the Oval Office and they are taking full advantage of this vulnerability. If a Democrat were to win in 2020, I think the first order of business would be to suspend all arms sales to Israel and Saudi Arabia. The blood on our hands is becoming intolerable.
The democrats kept up the weapons sales to both nations. We need to get rid of bought and paid for politicians from BOTH parties.
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Old May 22nd, 2018, 01:13 PM   #14
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The US has the most weapons. China has the second most weapons. The little country of Saudi Arabia comes in third as the nation with the most weapons! When Saudi Arabia's oil is exhausted, it will not passively sink back into poverty, but it will use those weapons for economic reasons. Involvement with this is equal to supporting Hitler and Trump could be making grave mistakes by playing games with the leader of Saudi Arabia.



How well do you like Saudi Arabia dictating our political affairs?



Do you notice Trump's actions follow his talks with the Saudis? Claiming the deal Obama made with Iran was illegal is just bull shit. The change was made because the Saudis wanted it made.
If there is a silver lining around this dark, ugly cloud, it's that the Saud Dynasty is extremely hated and reviled in the nation they claim as a family asset!

We often hear about unrest and opposition against the Shia clerics who run Iran, BUT all indications are that pales in comparison to the hated Saudis, who have to hire foreign mercenaries to stock their armed forces, and won't risk getting dirty in the Saudi war against Yemen!

So, will all their billions of $$$$ worth of arms be applied in a war against Iran? Or will it all get tossed and left on the battlefield...like so many Shia conscripts in Iraq did when told to stand and fight against ISIS in the Sunni and Kurdish cities they were occupying!
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It's not Israel that's the problem It's the Likud party. The majority of Israel isn't Likud, and doesn't support Netanyahu, or the relationship he has with Republicans in the US. What's need is an organized effort by US, European, and Israeli operatives to undermine, and destroy the Likud party in Israel.

And for anyone who thinks that's out of line, let me refresh your short memory of how Likud and Republicans in the US, did everything they could to undermine President Obama. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that is off the table to destroy the Likud party in Israel, or the Republican party in the US.
Do you wonder why we call you a communist?
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Do you wonder why we call you a communist?
Hum, what does it mean to be a communist? Without a shared agreement of what it means to be "communist", that word is just name calling with no meaning other than to inflame people.
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In my mind, Israel and Saudi Arabia are not our allies. They know how vulnerable we are with this crazy nutjob in the Oval Office and they are taking full advantage of this vulnerability. If a Democrat were to win in 2020, I think the first order of business would be to suspend all arms sales to Israel and Saudi Arabia. The blood on our hands is becoming intolerable.
To suspend all aid to Saudi Arabia and Israel, recall our ambassadors, close the embassy's, and impose a no fly zone over both of their countries.

These people are not our allies, they are our enemies, and should be dealt with as such.
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If there is a silver lining around this dark, ugly cloud, it's that the Saud Dynasty is extremely hated and reviled in the nation they claim as a family asset!

We often hear about unrest and opposition against the Shia clerics who run Iran, BUT all indications are that pales in comparison to the hated Saudis, who have to hire foreign mercenaries to stock their armed forces, and won't risk getting dirty in the Saudi war against Yemen!

So, will all their billions of $$$$ worth of arms be applied in a war against Iran? Or will it all get tossed and left on the battlefield...like so many Shia conscripts in Iraq did when told to stand and fight against ISIS in the Sunni and Kurdish cities they were occupying!
I didn't expect such a well-informed reply. I wasn't even thinking of the conflict between the ruling family and the masses. That is a complexity to consider but I do not know enough. All I know is the warnings of a geologist who pointed out these Arab nations have only one resource, oil, and that is finite. When Saudi Arabia's oil is gone, they will not be able to maintain a high standard of living and the already restless masses will rebel. Backing the royal family is like backing a despot anywhere else.
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Old May 25th, 2018, 08:37 AM   #19
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To suspend all aid to Saudi Arabia and Israel, recall our ambassadors, close the embassy's, and impose a no fly zone over both of their countries.

These people are not our allies, they are our enemies, and should be dealt with as such.
I think that is a bit excessive but I agree with Camelot and you about these countries not being good allies and the blood being on US hands.

Communication must be kept open because that is the only chance of resolving anything with reason. Communication-based on principles has a chance, but catering to despots is always a bad deal, and Israel's rulers have been as despotic as Saudi Arabia rulers, and I think the present ruler of the US is as despotic as the others, although there are restrictions put on him.
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Old May 25th, 2018, 04:11 PM   #20
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Hum, what does it mean to be a communist? Without a shared agreement of what it means to be "communist", that word is just name calling with no meaning other than to inflame people.
Ever since the red-baiting of post-WWII America, it's an all purpose term for Un-American and nothing more! You can't talk about communism without any analysis or understanding of Karl Marx, and most anti-communists never cracked open one of Marx's volumes on Kapital or his other books, and have no idea what he nor the followers who started political movements based on his work, actually believed in or proposed.

As economist - Richard D. Wolfe says in his lectures:'even if you're a capitalist, you should be reading Marx's theory of how capitalism functions..especially why it inevitably leads to boom and bust cycles.'
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