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Old June 3rd, 2018, 04:49 AM   #1
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I am puzzled over media reporting on this one:

North Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday.

The United States has about 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, a presence that has long irked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
North Korea drops withdrawal of US forces as condition of denuclearization, Moon says
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Updated 2:25 AM ET, Fri April 20, 2018

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/asia/...ntl/index.html
Media mouths talk about the Singapore Summit as though keeping U.S. troops in South Korea is non-negotiable to the little fat guy with the bad haircut. The mouths neither confirmed, nor denied, the truth of South Korean President Moon Jae-in’s bombshell. The mouths never mention it at all. (I hope President Trump pulls them all out.)

Regardless of Kim Jong-un’s druthers he got the memo from Xi Jinping. China never wanted U.S. troops out of South Korea because their presence guarantied Peace Without Victory which, in turn, gave China the time to grow in military strength.

NOTE: The Korean War was Wilson’s first Peace Without Victory War:

First World War.com - Primary Documents - Peace Without Victory, 22 January 1917

China blinked by announcing U.S. troops can stay in South Korea. That blink gave President Trump a golden opportunity to upset China’s military objectives with these three foreign policy changes:

1. Sit down with South Korea and inform them that he is pulling out our troops.

2. Tell China and North Korea “Forget about Peace Without Victory the next time the U.S. Military comes calling. If you ever invade South Korea again you will be up to your eyeballs in an all-out war.”

3. After the war ends divide China into a dozen or so sovereign nations.

I am certain this country’s allies will pitch in a lot faster in an all-out war against two Communist countries than they will in another Peace Without Victory war.

Moon Jae-in’s statement dropped off the radar screen. To me, pulling U.S. troops out of South Korea was a godsend. It is a complicated issue to be sure, but Dough Bandow cuts to the chase in seven words:


In other words, withdrawal would be win-win.
Should U.S. Trade Troops in South Korea for North Korea’s Nukes?
Doug Bandow
May 27, 2018, 12:05 am

https://spectator.org/should-u-s-tra...-koreas-nukes/
Happily, Democrats are in a tight spot. They want what China wants. Should Democrats openly oppose troop withdrawal Democrats can finally be asked the question I posed decades ago:

Do you oppose the Korean War in hindsight?

If they answer “Yes” they admit that fighting against Communism’s expansion is what they oppose.

If they answer “No.” ask them why not? since Korea and Vietnam were fought for the same reason.



Finally, Kim Jong-un playing Lucy —— again —— gives President Trump an opportunity to change the city. Chinese make up 76 percent of Singapore’s population. Naturally, Chinese control the government. I doubt if they will have any influence over the negotiations, but I would not give China the slightest edge.

In the interest of full disclosure I must say that way back in the late fifties and sixties Singapore was always my favorite city in the far Pacific, but not for its government. I do not know what Singapore is today.

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It appears Trump is winning again.
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Trump is smarter than I am. Trump must have a poor country boy on his staff who advises the super rich city boy how to defeat Mr. Kim.

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Trump is being played like the infantile fool he is.
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What EXACTLY did he win and how exactly did he win it?

Anyone other than me notice how the Trump supporters almost always talk about how "Trump wins" and NOT how "America wins" or "the people of America wins?"
It's cultist adoration, nothing is important other than Trump and his "brand", anything and everyone else is secondary.
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Trump is being played like a Stradivarius!
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Kim is the winner right now. He's no longer the boycotted leader of a pariah state. The US president, such as he is, is meeting with him. Xi has met with him. A meeting with Putin is upcoming.

If something worthwhile for the US emerges from the meeting, then Trump will be a "winner." Until then, you're counting unhatched chickens.
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