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Old December 22nd, 2017, 06:04 AM   #1
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The simple fact that since the end of World War II the United States of America has led the world into and through the greatest time of peace and prosperity the world has ever known.
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The friend webguy4 may be correct, but not at 100% but I respect your opinion.
My question, and how many wars were started by United States of America
since the end of World War II
Look at these two examples Iraq, where are the bombs they accused of having, what Iraq had was the whole country destroyed by a stupid war.See Libya another stupid war, another country destroyed


O amigo webguy4 pode estar correcto,mas não a 100% mas respeito a sua opinião.
Minha pergunta,e quantas guerras foram iniciadas por United States of America
desde que acabou a segunda guerra mundial.
Veja estes dois exemplos Iraque,onde está as bombas que acusavam de ter,o que o Iraque teve foi o país todo destruido por uma guerra estupida.Ver a Libia outra guerra estupida,mais um país destruido.
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The United States of America policy in 1975 wanted to start a war on the Iberian Peninsula America asked Franco of Spain to attack Portugal along with American and Spanish military - Franco of Spain said no United States of America, was a smart man, Portugal was tired of the three wars that had in Portuguese Africa to Portugal in 1475 had more than 1 million soldiers who fought 14 years in guerrilla warfare in Portuguese Africa, if the Spanish Franc does the will to America in 1975 the Europe of today was not in peace, like is today.
Make a little imagination if Portugal and Spain go to war in 1975. If still today there is a feeling Portuguese with Spain that annexed Portuguese territory in the 19th century Olivença area 750 km which is still in our memories past from generation to generation Portuguese to Portuguese, and seeing history on the Iberian Peninsula between Portugal and Spain Castêla Portuguese hatred was going to keep for over a thousand years against Spain and America, so I say who helped keep the peace in Europe was the Franco of Spain which was not in the Americans' conversation with their politics. That's why I do not agree to 100% with your post.
Attention no confusions I have nothing against the American, I have is against the policy that used against Portugal in 1975.
*United States of America knowing that Portugal belongs to NATO since 1949 asked Franco from Spain to enter War Portugal sincerely my American friends can not understand, as Portuguese I say never trust in American politics because it is false, we have seen Mr. Trump the policy you use with allied countries. To end I'll give my opinion
the politics of the United States of America is a great machine to make wars all over the world.





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A politica United States of America em 1975 queria começar uma guerra na Peninsula Ibéria América pediu a Franco de Espanha para atacar Portugal juntamente com militares americanos e espanhóis - Franco de Espanha disse não United States of America,foi um homem inteligente,Portugal estava cansado das três guerras que teve na Africa portuguêsa Portugal em 1475 tinha mais de 1 milhão de militares que lutaram 14 anos em guerra guerilhas na Àfrica portuguêsa,se o Franco de Espanha faz a vontade á América em 1975 a Europa de hoje não estava em paz,como está hoje.
Faça uma pequena imaginação,se Portugal e Espanha entram em guerra,em 1975. Se ainda hoje existe um sentimento peos portuguêses com a Espanha que anexou território português no século 19 Olivença area 750 km que ainda está nas nossa memórias passadas de geração em geração de portuguêses para para portuguêses,e vendo a história na Peninsula Ibérica entre Portugal e Espanha Castêla o ódio português se ia manter por mais de mil anos contra Espanha e América,por isso eu digo quem ajudou a manter a paz na Europa foi o Franco de Espanha que não foi na conversa dos americanos com a sua politica. È por isso que eu não concordo a100% com o seu poste.
Atênção nada de confusões eu não tenho nada contra o pôvo americano ,tenho é contra a politica que usou contra Portugal em 1975 .
United States of America sabendo que Portugal pertence á otan desde 1949 pediu a Franco de Espanha para entrar em Guerra Portugal sinceramente meus amigos americanos não dá para entender,como português eu digo nunca confiar na politia americana porque ela é falsa,hojes vimos o sr.Trump a politica que usa com os países aliados.Para terminar vou dar a minha opinião
a politica dos United States of America é uma gande maquina a fazer guerras por todo o mundo.

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The simple fact that since the end of World War II the United States of America has led the world into and through the greatest time of peace and prosperity the world has ever known.
A lot of people missed not only the brainwashing but the reality, of course.
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A lot of people missed not only the brainwashing but the reality, of course.

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friend, I understand it ... Difficult is to accept truths, have the example of my post
see the real story about my country on April 25, 1974 and year 1975.
I say another truth I was 17 years old in 1975 and the Portuguese dictatorship had already washed my head when I went to school when I was 19 - 20 years old to hate Spain and to hate the blacks of Portuguese Africa who fought against Portugal .
If you had lived in a facist country and dictator like mine, it was more valuable, because my country only had freedom since 1974 that still today there are thousands of Portuguese with facist ideas mainly the Portuguese military that faced the three wars in Africa Portuguese, or you will tell me that the United States of America policy was always perfect, if you talk about World War II, the countries that were annexed by Germany to thank the contribution that America made, because my country was neutral in this war.
(nobody gives anything to anyone, and when it gives has interstices, it is the case of America)

We must accept the truths when we do not like it
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A lot of people missed not only the brainwashing but the reality, of course.

amigo iolo eu o compreendo... Dificil é aceitar as verdades, tem o exemplo do meu poste
veja a história real sobre o meu país em 25 Abril 1974 e ano 1975.
Digo outra verdade eu em 1975 tinha 17 anos e a ditadura portuguêsa já me tinha lavado a minha cabeça quando andei na escola para quando eu ter 19 - 20 anos ter ódio com a Espanha e ter ódio com os pretos de Àfrica portuguêsa que lutavam contra Portugal.
Se voçê tivesse vivido num país facista e ditador como é o meu,dava mais valor,porque o meu país só teve liberdade a partir desde 1974 que ainda hoje existe milhares de portuguêses com ideias facistas principalmente os militares portuguêses que enfrentaram as três guerras nas Africa portuguêsa,ou me vai dizer que a politica United States of America foi sempre perfeita,se falar da segunda guerra mundial,os paíse que estiveram anexados pela Alemanha que agradeça o contributo que América deu,pois o meu país foi neutro nessa guerra.
( ninguem dá nada a ninguem,e quando dá tem intersse,é o caso da América )

Devemos aceitar as verdades quando mesmo não gostamos.
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The simple fact that since the end of World War II the United States of America has led the world into and through the greatest time of peace and prosperity the world has ever known.
What? I thought this thread was about education and history. Oh well, it is your thread.

Why do you think the US should get credit for leading the world through the greatest time of peace and prosperity?
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A lot of people missed not only the brainwashing but the reality, of course.

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friend, I understand it ... Difficult is to accept truths, have the example of my post
see the real story about my country on April 25, 1974 and year 1975.
I say another truth I was 17 years old in 1975 and the Portuguese dictatorship had already washed my head when I went to school when I was 19 - 20 years old to hate Spain and to hate the blacks of Portuguese Africa who fought against Portugal .
If you had lived in a facist country and dictator like mine, it was more valuable, because my country only had freedom since 1974 that still today there are thousands of Portuguese with facist ideas mainly the Portuguese military that faced the three wars in Africa Portuguese, or you will tell me that the United States of America policy was always perfect, if you talk about World War II, the countries that were annexed by Germany to thank the contribution that America made, because my country was neutral in this war.
(nobody gives anything to anyone, and when it gives has interstices, it is the case of America)

We must accept the truths when we do not like it
_____________
A lot of people missed not only the brainwashing but the reality, of course.

amigo iolo eu o compreendo... Dificil é aceitar as verdades, tem o exemplo do meu poste
veja a história real sobre o meu país em 25 Abril 1974 e ano 1975.
Digo outra verdade eu em 1975 tinha 17 anos e a ditadura portuguêsa já me tinha lavado a minha cabeça quando andei na escola para quando eu ter 19 - 20 anos ter ódio com a Espanha e ter ódio com os pretos de Àfrica portuguêsa que lutavam contra Portugal.
Se voçê tivesse vivido num país facista e ditador como é o meu,dava mais valor,porque o meu país só teve liberdade a partir desde 1974 que ainda hoje existe milhares de portuguêses com ideias facistas principalmente os militares portuguêses que enfrentaram as três guerras nas Africa portuguêsa,ou me vai dizer que a politica United States of America foi sempre perfeita,se falar da segunda guerra mundial,os paíse que estiveram anexados pela Alemanha que agradeça o contributo que América deu,pois o meu país foi neutro nessa guerra.
( ninguem dá nada a ninguem,e quando dá tem intersse,é o caso da América )

Devemos aceitar as verdades quando mesmo não gostamos.
I am sorry, but to me it seems to me much information is missing from what you said, so I do not understand your message.

"If you had lived in a facist country and dictator like mine, it was more valuable, " what do you mean by "it"?

Also, I think the US adopted economic fascism so what is about fascism you do not like?

We also have been taught to hate. For sure we were taught to hate communist and especially the Russian communist who gave us serious world domination competition and when their economy fell because of the US using economic warfare against "the communist" and millions suffered terribly, we celebrated the fall of the USSR.

We learn to be prejudice of people of color and we have a number of White Supremacist. And lately, Muslims have been added to the list of bad people, but the force behind disliking Muslims is driven by Christians not our government, however, the neocons wanting military control of the mid-east are very glad to have this Christian support. Also during the Reagan administration, the poor were scapegoated for our poor economy exactly as Jews were scapegoated for the poor economy in Germany. Trump has not gone that far, but his improvements are likely to lead more premature deaths and broken lives while the Military Industrial Complex gets a boost, and many Americans think this is a good thing.

So exactly what is good and what is bad?
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Well.....that's over. The U.S. is no longer interested in leading ANYTHING other than the most incarcerated in the world and the most gun violence...OH and the number of people who believe in angels. LOL
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"If you had lived in a facist country and dictator like mine, it was more valuable, " what do you mean by "it"?
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my english is translated into google was bad translation


( Se voçê tivesse vivido num país facista e ditador como é o meu,dava mais valor,porque o meu país só teve liberdade a partir desde 1974 )

..........................................

friend, I mean, that it is worse to live in a country with a fascist dictatorship like
Portugal for 48 years - better to live in a democratic free country.

In Portuguese.

amigo, quero dizer, é pior viver em um país com uma ditadura fascista como
Portugal por 48 anos - melhor viver em um país livre democrático.

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Freedom and democracy in Portugal was born with the revolution on April 25, 1974
we are still a young country with democracy established in Portugal.
Which is good for portugal

A liberdade e a democracia em Portugal nasceu com a revolução no dia 25 Abril 1974
ainda somos um país jovem com democracia estabelecida em Portugal.
Que é bom para portugal
.....................................


I hope the translation is better, so the friend understands

Espero que a tradução esteija melhor ,para o amigo compreender

Good 2018 for you - Bom ano 2018 para si
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"If you had lived in a facist country and dictator like mine, it was more valuable, " what do you mean by "it"?
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my english is translated into google was bad translation


( Se voçê tivesse vivido num país facista e ditador como é o meu,dava mais valor,porque o meu país só teve liberdade a partir desde 1974 )

..........................................

friend, I mean, that it is worse to live in a country with a fascist dictatorship like
Portugal for 48 years - better to live in a democratic free country.

In Portuguese.

amigo, quero dizer, é pior viver em um país com uma ditadura fascista como
Portugal por 48 anos - melhor viver em um país livre democrático.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Freedom and democracy in Portugal was born with the revolution on April 25, 1974
we are still a young country with democracy established in Portugal.
Which is good for portugal

A liberdade e a democracia em Portugal nasceu com a revolução no dia 25 Abril 1974
ainda somos um país jovem com democracia estabelecida em Portugal.
Que é bom para portugal
.....................................


I hope the translation is better, so the friend understands

Espero que a tradução esteija melhor ,para o amigo compreender

Good 2018 for you - Bom ano 2018 para si
I totally admire you for the effort in you are making in thinking in one language and writing in another. That would stress me so badly my head would refuse to work.

It is also exciting to communicate with someone in a young democracy. Are you aware of the role education has to play in this transition?

What are the problems associated with adjusting to a different way of thinking and doing things? What are those differences?
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The friend webguy4 may be correct, but not at 100% but I respect your opinion.
My question, and how many wars were started by United States of America
since the end of World War II
Look at these two examples Iraq, where are the bombs they accused of having, what Iraq had was the whole country destroyed by a stupid war.See Libya another stupid war, another country destroyed


O amigo webguy4 pode estar correcto,mas não a 100% mas respeito a sua opinião.
Minha pergunta,e quantas guerras foram iniciadas por United States of America
desde que acabou a segunda guerra mundial.
Veja estes dois exemplos Iraque,onde está as bombas que acusavam de ter,o que o Iraque teve foi o país todo destruido por uma guerra estupida.Ver a Libia outra guerra estupida,mais um país destruido.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

The United States of America policy in 1975 wanted to start a war on the Iberian Peninsula America asked Franco of Spain to attack Portugal along with American and Spanish military - Franco of Spain said no United States of America, was a smart man, Portugal was tired of the three wars that had in Portuguese Africa to Portugal in 1475 had more than 1 million soldiers who fought 14 years in guerrilla warfare in Portuguese Africa, if the Spanish Franc does the will to America in 1975 the Europe of today was not in peace, like is today.
Make a little imagination if Portugal and Spain go to war in 1975. If still today there is a feeling Portuguese with Spain that annexed Portuguese territory in the 19th century Olivença area 750 km which is still in our memories past from generation to generation Portuguese to Portuguese, and seeing history on the Iberian Peninsula between Portugal and Spain Castêla Portuguese hatred was going to keep for over a thousand years against Spain and America, so I say who helped keep the peace in Europe was the Franco of Spain which was not in the Americans' conversation with their politics. That's why I do not agree to 100% with your post.
Attention no confusions I have nothing against the American, I have is against the policy that used against Portugal in 1975.
*United States of America knowing that Portugal belongs to NATO since 1949 asked Franco from Spain to enter War Portugal sincerely my American friends can not understand, as Portuguese I say never trust in American politics because it is false, we have seen Mr. Trump the policy you use with allied countries. To end I'll give my opinion
the politics of the United States of America is a great machine to make wars all over the world.





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A politica United States of America em 1975 queria começar uma guerra na Peninsula Ibéria América pediu a Franco de Espanha para atacar Portugal juntamente com militares americanos e espanhóis - Franco de Espanha disse não United States of America,foi um homem inteligente,Portugal estava cansado das três guerras que teve na Africa portuguêsa Portugal em 1475 tinha mais de 1 milhão de militares que lutaram 14 anos em guerra guerilhas na Àfrica portuguêsa,se o Franco de Espanha faz a vontade á América em 1975 a Europa de hoje não estava em paz,como está hoje.
Faça uma pequena imaginação,se Portugal e Espanha entram em guerra,em 1975. Se ainda hoje existe um sentimento peos portuguêses com a Espanha que anexou território português no século 19 Olivença area 750 km que ainda está nas nossa memórias passadas de geração em geração de portuguêses para para portuguêses,e vendo a história na Peninsula Ibérica entre Portugal e Espanha Castêla o ódio português se ia manter por mais de mil anos contra Espanha e América,por isso eu digo quem ajudou a manter a paz na Europa foi o Franco de Espanha que não foi na conversa dos americanos com a sua politica. È por isso que eu não concordo a100% com o seu poste.
Atênção nada de confusões eu não tenho nada contra o pôvo americano ,tenho é contra a politica que usou contra Portugal em 1975 .
United States of America sabendo que Portugal pertence á otan desde 1949 pediu a Franco de Espanha para entrar em Guerra Portugal sinceramente meus amigos americanos não dá para entender,como português eu digo nunca confiar na politia americana porque ela é falsa,hojes vimos o sr.Trump a politica que usa com os países aliados.Para terminar vou dar a minha opinião
a politica dos United States of America é uma gande maquina a fazer guerras por todo o mundo.

You are 100% correct, ad inifitum.
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