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Old January 27th, 2018, 01:08 PM   #1
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They discovered what?

Which continent did the navigators of the countries of England, France, and the Netherlands discover?

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North America, only, they weren't the first. The Norse were. Well, unless some group was here earlier.

You know, like the people who were living here when the white guys arrived....
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Old January 27th, 2018, 01:53 PM   #3
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Yes Yes I understand it correctly, it is the same thing when the Portuguese arrived in Japan and China already there were the yellow ones, their answer is similar to mine,
Could it be that the Nordic force divided the world in half, or both countries
which is in the Iberian Peninsula?

Sim Sim eu o compreendo correctamente,é a mesma coisa quando os portuguêses chegaram ao Japão e á China já lá estavam os amarelos,a sua resposta é similar á minha,
Será que foi o pôvo Nórdico a dividir o mundo ao meio,ou foram os ambos países
que fica na Peninsula Ibérica?
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North America, only, they weren't the first. The Norse were. Well, unless some group was here earlier.

You know, like the people who were living here when the white guys arrived....
The Dutch discovered Australia. It was called New Holland before the British arrived.

There is no actual proof that North America was not populated by any other groups before the Native Americans, only that they were there when the White Europeans arrived.
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Australia was discovered by the Portuguese.

Let justice be done: it was the Portuguese, not the British, nor the Dutch, who discovered Australia. It was the Portuguese, and this was not known before because of the French. This is what a book published in Australia shows, which shows a nautical chart abandoned in a library in Los Angeles, United States, proving that Christopher de Mendonça was the first to set foot in the territory. But a misrepresented translation in France has hidden its achievement for centuries.

Australian journalist and historian Peter Trickett found the two maps of the controversy "by chance." And they have no doubt: "They provide remarkable proof that Portuguese ships made such courageous voyages of discovery in 1520. This was a century before the Dutch and 250 years before Captain James Cook [who claimed for the UK the discovery in 1770] "he says.

In an interview with Reuters, Trickett said he came across a copy of the map in a bookstore eight years ago. There he found a reproduction of Atlas Vallard, a collection of 15 handmade maps up to 1545 in France. Two of them were titled "Terra Java" and had similarities with the Australian coast. "There was something familiar about them, but there was something wrong, it was a puzzle. Why would those places have Portuguese names?" He worried. About 120 sites had names in Portuguese.
Trickett realized then that the French cartographers could have misaligned two Portuguese maps. "The original maps would have been drawn on sheepskin or goat scrolls of limited size. For a coast the size of Eastern Australia at 3,500 kilometers, it would take three to four maps," the historian explained.

The explanation for the mistake will then be that "without clear compass markings it was possible to join the map in two ways." And the French will have done it the wrong way, the wrong way. For Trickett, the maps were made by Cristóvão de Mendonça, who left Portugal with four ships on a secret mission to discover Marco Island's "Golden Island" in south Java. Having discovered Australia, he would have kept the fact secret to prevent other European powers of the era from following him.
Portuguese — First Europeans to See Australia

The Portuguese were the first to give knowledge of the world, to the world.
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Em português - In portuguese
Seja feita justiça: foram os portugueses e não os britânicos, nem os holandeses, que descobriram a Austrália. Foram os portugueses e isso só não se soube antes por culpa dos franceses. É o que afirma um livro publicado na Austrália, que mostra uma carta náutica abandonada numa biblioteca de Los Angeles, nos Estados Unidos, provando que Cristóvão de Mendonça foi o primeiro a pôr os pés no território. Só que uma tradução mal feita em França escondeu durante séculos o seu feito.

O jornalista e historiador australiano Peter Trickett encontrou os dois mapas da polémica "por acaso". E não tem dúvidas: "Eles fornecem provas notáveis de que navios portugueses fizeram essas viagens corajosas de descoberta em 1520. Isso foi um século antes dos holandeses e 250 anos antes do capitão James Cook [que reclamou para o Reino Unido a descoberta em 1770]", diz.

Em entrevista à Reuters, Trickett disse que se deparou com uma cópia do mapa numa livraria há oito anos. Ali encontrou uma reprodução do Atlas Vallard, uma colecção de 15 mapas feitos à mão até 1545 em França. Dois deles intitulavam-se "Terra Java" e apresentavam semelhanças com a costa australiana. "Havia algo familiar neles, mas também havia algo de errado, era um quebra-cabeças. Porque teriam aqueles lugares nomes portugueses?", inquietou-se. Cerca de 120 locais tinham nomes em português.

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Trickett percebeu então que os cartógrafos franceses poderiam ter alinhado mal dois mapas portugueses. "Os mapas originais teriam sido desenhados em pergaminhos de pele de carneiro ou cabra, de tamanho limitado. Para uma costa do tamanho do leste da Austrália, de 3500 quilómetros, seriam precisos três a quatro mapas", explicou o historiador.

A explicação para o engano será então que "sem marcações de bússolas claras era possível juntar o mapa de duas maneiras". E os franceses tê-lo-ão feito da pior maneira, da maneira errada. Para Trickett, os mapas foram feitos por Cristóvão de Mendonça, que saiu de Portugal com quatro navios numa missão secreta para descobrir a "Ilha do Ouro" de Marco Pólo, no sul de Java. Tendo descoberto a Austrália, terá mantido o feito em segredo para evitar que outras potências europeias da época se lhe seguissem.

Português - primeiros europeus a visitar a Austrália

https://youtu.be/7xUEZt0_osc video in portuguese

We did this documentary (47 min.) That reveals a mystery with 500 years, giving the reason why the caravels created by the Portuguese are today compared to modern space shuttle. The impact of this innovation transformed Portugal into the main maritime and economic power of the 16th century.

But when one reads a book of Spanish, English, French or Dutch history, references to the role played by the Portuguese at the time of the discoveries are insignificant. For this reason we wanted to know the opinion of the best world historians and the results were surprising.
"Caravelas and Naus - A Technological Shock in the 15th and 16th Centuries" ranked # 1 among 62 documentaries in a Discovery Channel contest, having been broadcast on several continents.
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Portugal, in the fourteenth, fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, was the first to begin the age of discovery, a century before Spain and two centuries before England and Holland.

During the time of the Discoveries, daring and intrepid sailors with names like; Bartolomeu Perestrelo, Gonçalves Zarco, Tristão Vaz Teixeira, Diogo de Silves, Diogo de Teive, Gonçalo Velho Cabral, Gil Eanes, Afonso Gonçalves Baldaia, Nuno Tristão, Dinis Dias, Álvaro Fernandes, Diogo Gomes, António da Nola, Duarte Pacheco Pereira, Antão Gonçalves, Pedro de Sintra, João de Santarém, Pedro Escobar, Lopo Gonçalves, Fernando Pó, Gaspar Corte Real, Miguel Corte Real, Álvaro Martins Homem, João da Nova, Fernando Noronha, António Saldanha, Gonçalo Álvares, João Fernandes Lavrador, Pêro de Barros, Diogo Cão, Bartolomeu Dias, Vasco da Gama, Pedro Álvares Cabral, António Abreu, Francisco Serrão, Simão Afonso Bisagudo, João de Lisboa, Estevão Fróis, Cristóvão de Mendonça (1), Gomes de Sequeira, Lourenço de Almeida, Tristão da Cunha, Afonso de Albuquerque, among many others (2), set sail for seas never sailed in search of the unknown.

Cristóvão de Mendonça was the one who charted and mapped Australia in 1522/25. This important discovery was kept secret because of greed and because we did not have enough people to inhabit it. Evidence has already been found of our stay in Australia, through fishing artifacts, two cannons and other finds from Portugal. Already after our arrival in Timor in 1511, it is said that the navigator António de Abreu would have sailed to these lands, called Ilha do Ouro.

In the long list of the bold sailors mentioned above, we must also note the heroic deeds of two more whose names everyone knows. Christopher Columbus and Fernão de Magalhães. Although its relevant services have been provided to Spain, it should be noted that all of its nautical knowledge was made in Portugal.
Veja: Two thirds of the world were discovered by the Portuguese

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Caravelas, Naus e Galeões Portugueses - Choque tecnológico séc XVI
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Realizámos este documentário (47 min.) que desvenda um mistério com 500 anos, dando a conhecer a razão pela qual as caravelas criadas pelos Portugueses são hoje comparadas a modernos space shuttle. O impacto desta inovação transformou Portugal na principal potência marítima e económica do século XVI.

Mas quando se lê um livro de História espanhol, inglês, francês ou holandês, as referências ao papel desempenhado pelos portugueses na época dos descobrimentos são insignificantes. Por essa razão quisemos saber a opinião dos melhores historiadores mundiais e os resultados foram surpreendentes.
“Caravelas e Naus – Um Choque Tecnológico nos séculos XV e XVI” ficou em 1º lugar entre 62 documentários num concurso do Discovery Channel, tendo sido emitido em vários continentes.
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Portugal, nos séculos XIV, XV e XVI, foi o primeiro a iniciar a idade da descoberta, um século antes de Espanha e dois séculos antes de Inglaterra e Holanda.

Durante a época dos Descobrimentos, ousados e intrépidos marinheiros com nomes como; Bartolomeu Perestrelo, Gonçalves Zarco, Tristão Vaz Teixeira, Diogo de Silves, Diogo de Teive, Gonçalo Velho Cabral, Gil Eanes, Afonso Gonçalves Baldaia, Nuno Tristão, Dinis Dias, Álvaro Fernandes, Diogo Gomes, António da Nola, Duarte Pacheco Pereira, Antão Gonçalves, Pedro de Sintra, João de Santarém, Pedro Escobar, Lopo Gonçalves, Fernando Pó, Gaspar Corte Real, Miguel Corte Real, Álvaro Martins Homem, João da Nova, Fernando Noronha, António Saldanha, Gonçalo Álvares, João Fernandes Lavrador, Pêro de Barcelos, Diogo Cão, Bartolomeu Dias, Vasco da Gama, Pedro Álvares Cabral, António Abreu, Francisco Serrão, Simão Afonso Bisagudo, João de Lisboa, Estevão Fróis, Cristóvão de Mendonça(1), Gomes de Sequeira, Lourenço de Almeida, Tristão da Cunha, Afonso de Albuquerque, entre muitos outros(2), partiram por mares nunca navegados em busca do desconhecido.

Portugal país pequeno, na altura teria pouco mais de um milhão de habitantes, tornou-se, graças aos sacrifícios, engenho e arte de marear dos seus gloriosos marinheiros, na primeira potência marítima global.

(1) Cristóvão de Mendonça foi quem cartografou e mapeou a Austrália em 1522/25. Esta importante descoberta foi mantida em segredo por causa da cobiça e por não termos gente suficiente para a povoar. Foram já encontradas provas da nossa estadia na Austrália, através de artefactos de pesca, de dois canhões e de outros achados provenientes de Portugal. Já depois da nossa chegada a Timor em 1511, consta que o navegador António de Abreu, teria navegado até a essas terras, denominadas Ilha do Ouro.

(2) Na longa lista dos ousados marinheiros acima mencionada, há que notar também os feitos heróicos de mais dois cujos nomes todo o mundo conhece. Cristóvão Colombo e Fernão de Magalhães. Apesar dos seus relevantes serviços terem sido prestados à Espanha, é de referir que todos os seus conhecimentos náuticos, foram feitos em Portugal.
Veja: Dois terços do mundo foram descobertos pelos portugueses.


Os portugueses foram os primeiros a dar o conhecimento do mundo, ao mundo.

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The Portuguese ignored mainly Australia. The current territories of Indonesia Malacca etc. were much more profitable for Portugal.
Australia had no trade. (Had Australia perhaps been occupied by Portuguese and by other name as were other occupied territories.

Os portugueses ignoraram principalmente a Austrália. Os territórios atuais da Indonésia Malaca etc. foram muito mais lucrativos para Portugal.
Austrália não tinha comércio.(Se tivesse talvez a Austrália fosse ocupada por portuguêses e com outro nome como foram outros territórios ocupados.
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You are specific in the countries you named and I say they discovered zero. Magellan discovered the Philippine Islands but the natives killed him.
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You are specific in the countries you named and I say they discovered zero. Magellan discovered the Philippine Islands but the natives killed him.
Sim é verdade os nativos o mataram - Yes it's true the natives killed him.

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