‘There Is Going to Be a War Within the Party. We Are Going to Lean Into It.’

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This is great news .... for Trump. Just when the seriously flawed Democratic Party needs to pull out all the stops, and pull together, a group of Democrats think it's time to tear it apart.

I have absolutely no use for AOC. She, and her cohorts, are serving their egos rather than their country. They are progressive versions of Donald J. Trump, the "My way or the highway" wing of the Democratic Party.

And they are serving up red meat for Trump to ensure his reelection, but I'm certain their immature egos are completely unaware of what they are doing. The look below says it all.

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‘There Is Going to Be a War Within the Party.
We Are Going to Lean Into It.’


Maybe you’ve heard the warning: The country is beset by a menace. A fringe conservative minority is holding Congress hostage, extracting radical policy concessions over the will of the majority. And it’s leading the nation to fiscal, environmental and moral ruin.

Maybe you haven’t heard this part: These dangerous conservatives are Democrats.

“I am talking about the radical conservatives in the Democratic Party,” said Saikat Chakrabarti. “That’s who we need to counter. It’s the same across any number of issues—pay-as-you-go, free college, “Medicare for all.” These are all enormously popular in the party, but they don’t pass because of the radical conservatives who are holding the party hostage.”

Not long ago, this would have been an outlier position even among American liberals. Today, it’s the organizing principle of a newly empowered segment of the Democratic Party, one with a foothold in the new Congress.

Chakrabarti is chief of staff to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the closest thing to a new celebrity Congress has had in years—a 29-year-old former activist and bartender who, on the most recent Martin Luther King Day, sat on the same New York stage as the rapper Common, Black Panther director Ryan Coogler and MacArthur “genius award” winner Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Although it’s Ocasio-Cortez who gets all the headlines, she arguably wouldn’t be in Congress in the first place without the group Chakrabarti founded: Justice Democrats, a new, central player in the ongoing war for the soul of the Democratic Party. It was the Justice Democrats who recruited her in a quixotic campaign early on, providing a neophyte candidate with enough infrastructure to take down a party leader. And it is the Justice Democrats who see Ocasio-Cortez as just the opening act in an astonishingly ambitious plan to do nothing less than re-imagine liberal politics in America—and do it by whatever means necessary.

If that requires knocking out well-known elected officials and replacing them with more radical newcomers, so be it. And if it ends up ripping apart the Democratic Party in the process—well, that might be the idea.

“There is going to be a war within the party. We are going to lean into it,” said Waleed Shahid, the group’s spokesman.

More stupid: ‘There Is Going to Be a War Within the Party. We Are Going to Lean Into It.’
 
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I have to agree. We do not need our own version of Trump. I think the closer we get to the election, this will calm down.
 

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I have to agree. We do not need our own version of Trump. I think the closer we get to the election, this will calm down.
I hope so. AOC et al are playing right into Trump's hand. AOC et al can do more damage than the Russkis.

Actually, in a real way AOC is playing right into Putin's hand.
 
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I hope so. AOC et al are playing right into Trump's hand. AOC et al can do more damage than the Russkis.

Actually, in a real way AOC is playing right into Putin's hand.
It just depends on how it plays out. Clearly, a lot of people like her, otherwise she would not be there. Another thing to consider is how the 'tax cuts" are playing out right now. And trust me, a lot of people are getting burned this year, including Trump supporters. You fuck with people's money and you're done. And Trump's is indeed fucking with people's money. The hen's will be coming home to roost on that in a big way. AOC might just be seizing the day by sending a message at the right time. We'll see.

The Trump Tax Cuts Are (Probably) About to Become a Political Disaster

No matter how you slice it, this tax season is not going to be good for Trump. He's going to have to do damage control, again.
 
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Hey folks, she is a young first term congressperson with some ideas. So what? She has no power in the House and is just expressing some bold concepts, for which she was elected.

The hysteria of the Right should not be seen for anything more than a reflection of their inability to see issues or political statements with ANY objectivity.

It is all extreme Right political theater. They are afraid of a 29 year old idealist??? Don't play into that Hate Media opposition-- they are old, desiccated , effete partisans who love to create controversy where there is none.
 

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The big scare is still the fear just the word "socialism" instills in so many Americans. And as I said, just go back to the SOTU speech. This is just the boogieman Trump was waiting for.

The younger generations don't have the same knee-jerk reaction to the world but they are both too small a segment and tend to not vote.

So I share IT's fear.
 

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It just depends on how it plays out. Clearly, a lot of people like her, otherwise she would not be there. Another thing to consider is how the 'tax cuts" are playing out right now. And trust me, a lot of people are getting burned this year, including Trump supporters. You fuck with people's money and you're done. And Trump's is indeed fucking with people's money. The hen's will be coming home to roost on that in a big way. AOC might just be seizing the day by sending a message at the right time. We'll see.
Well, anything is possible. Trump energized a fairly substantial percentage of a "overlooked" population. He didn't create the group. He saw they were there and he appealed to them everyone else be damned. The Ds failed to take his MAGA stuff seriously, Hillary iced the cake with deplorable frosting, everybody knew she'd win, and here we are with DJT as POTUS.

The same won't be true if AOC energizes a group of green socialists. The Rs will take it seriously. They will be energized by the socialist threat. They'll be convinced they are fighting for the soul of America, holy capitalism, and God hisself. They will get out and vote en masse.
 
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The big scare is still the fear just the word "socialism" instills in so many Americans. And as I said, just go back to the SOTU speech. This is just the boogieman Trump was waiting for.

The younger generations don't have the same knee-jerk reaction to the world but they are both too small a segment and tend to not vote.

So I share IT's fear.
The USA is filled with socialist institutions. There will always be ignorance that cannot be overcome, but it is wrong to run from a word that is mis-used to imply "communism".

Perhaps the American public needs to be reminded of "socialist" institutions in this country: national parks and forests, highway system, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government regulation of food and drug quality, public utilities for water, electricity and gas, federal control of communications, air traffic control, income tax, subdivisions with common sewers and wells, etc. etc. etc. Even the military exists for the common defense.. Perhaps Trump wants to eliminate all those socialist institutions in his fight against "socialism"
 
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Well, anything is possible. Trump energized a fairly substantial percentage of a "overlooked" population. He didn't create the group. He saw they were there and he appealed to them everyone else be damned. The Ds failed to take his MAGA stuff seriously, Hillary iced the cake with deplorable frosting, everybody knew she'd win, and here we are with DJT as POTUS.

The same won't be true if AOC energizes a group of green socialists. The Rs will take it seriously. They will be energized by the socialist threat. They'll be convinced they are fighting for the soul of America, holy capitalism, and God hisself. They will get out and vote en masse.
BUT, the thing you're missing is that the entire electorate is energized. Trump is also fucking his base with the tax code this year. The people who felt overlooked are going to feel betrayed. Look at what just happened in 2018. When everyone sees their tax bills, Trump is toast. Trust me, Trump just fucked himself on taxes alone.

He may have just set the stage for AOC. We'll just see what happens.