‘There Is Going to Be a War Within the Party. We Are Going to Lean Into It.’

Nov 2012
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nirvana
#62
So, when is it ever time for progressives to push for higher wages, universal healthcare, CUTS to massive military spending, REAL environmental policies/instead of your incremental bullshit? AOC should be at war with that damn party establishment because those assholes are at war against her and have even said so out loud! Declaring that they are searching for primary candidates right now. I doubt it will work any better than their efforts to try to push out Tulsi Gabbard for being antiwar and for supporting Bernie Sanders last time around. People are so fed up with the shit they're served up for political representation that any candidates who refuse to be bought and paid for by corporate donors are going to make a mark with a lot of people who are falling through the cracks of today's about to crash economy!

As for Justice Democrats and the DSA movement who've burrowed in to the Democratic Party at some smaller, local government levels, there are a lot of people on the left who see these movements...which started with Sanders movement- "Our Revolution" caucus, as the last chance for this strategy of taking over the Democratic Party from within!

Kind of amazing how Republican voters don't feel like they have to swallow this self-serving bullshit from their leaders! When tea party groups and other rightwing activists go after longterm Republicans...accused of turning into "RINO"s, the GOP moderates rush out to placate them and proclaim their conservative bonafides. The last thing they do is go out and piss off their base voters even more! If you want to follow this strategy though...knock yourself out! Maybe that's when you'll find out how well you can win by proclaiming yourself as gay and female and minority friendly/while having no fucking worthwhile economic policies for working class people!

Maybe centrist democrat bullshit that's shades of grey different from what Republicans offer up is good enough for you, but in case you haven't noticed, fewer and fewer younger people find anything worth supporting from the corrupt, ruling democrats, like hundred millionaire Pelosi, or the even richer, even more corrupt Wall Street bagman - Schumer!

Only 39% of Americans have enough savings to cover a $1,000 emergency

According to Bankrate's latest financial security index survey, 34 percent of American households experienced a major unexpected expense over the past year. However, only 39 percent of survey respondents said they would be able to cover a $1,000 setback using their savings.​
Perspective – Extreme poverty returns to America

Philip Alston, the United Nations special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, has just wrapped up a 15-day tour of the United States. His team visited Alabama, California, Puerto Rico, West Virginia and Washington, D.C. The findings, released last Friday, documented homelessness, unsafe sanitation and sewage disposal practices, as well as police surveillance, criminalization and harassment of the poor. The rise in poverty, they found, disproportionately affects people of color and women, but also large swaths of white Americans. The report concluded that the pervasiveness of poverty and inequality “are shockingly at odds with [the United States’] immense wealth and its founding commitment to human rights.”
I don't know why Alston would find increasing extreme wealth for the few/ and extreme poverty for the many to be "shocking", considering that three...just three fucking billionaires in the US own as much wealth as the lower half of the general population. If three can hoard as much wealth as millions of people, then many have to make do with less!

AND:
Over 40% of US Households Are One Paycheck Away From Poverty
A stunning new study finds that 40 percent of U.S. families are only one paycheck away from poverty. That is, they do not have enough liquid assets to withstand a financial crisis such as the loss of a job. If they do lose their job, from one month to the next, they would be joining the ranks of the poor. This lack of assets to weather a financial crisis is even more extreme for Black and Latino households. For example, less than half of Black and Latino households have enough savings for an emergency, compared to 62.4 percent of white households.​
The study was conducted by the organization Prosperity Now, and its authors are Kasey Wiedrich and David Newville. We’re now joined by one of its authors, Kasey Wiedrich. She’s the Director of Applied Research at Prosperity Now. Thanks for being here today,.............................................................................................................................Over 40% of US Households Are One Paycheck Away From Poverty.​
And what's of note here...if you were paying attention to senile old Nancy's clapping at the SOTU, she is onside with Donald on economic issues because capitalism works for her, and she's never given a damn about the people conned into voting for her or her party with that worn out excuse that you're trying to reinflate here: we have to keep on voting for the horrible option two to prevent option one from winning! Should anyone be surprised that almost 40% of eligible voters in America said Fuck It last time? If you Democrat stalwarts think you can win by demanding that the left shut up and accept your meager offerings, expect the non-voting public to increase, Democrats to disappear and Republicans...including Trump, to keep failing upwards!


It depends on your definition. I don’t refer to them as the establishment on the Democratic side. They are a mixture of opportunists and cowed Liberals who think they have to cow tow to Republican voters to pass the muster of right wing talk radio standard as sensible middle of the road Democrats.

AOC is the result of a young Democrat who is savvy enough to understand that Liberals will always be labeled as socialists nomatter their stance on any policy, so why continue standing in the middle of the road only to be run over anyway.

You damn right. Not only move to the left and demand everyone who claims to be on the same team move left also, or be exposed as the Republican Lite DINO and be primaried our of the party which is all the Democrats needed to do in the first place.

Republicans are not winning over new voters with millennials and Gen Z. Only a minority of them are going to vote Republican because their parents do.

The overwhelming majority of them support AOC, and her moving the party left, and more importantly embracing the policies from that position.
 
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Dec 2016
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I'm positive you've never smell blood or rotting human flesh. I'd wager, you believe that there never was an innocent who didn't want to die for the glorious revolution. Pandora's box looks beautiful till it's opened.

You underestimate the power of the dark side, a cup which is filled to the brim at this moment.
You make a lot of wagers! And it's just more evidence that you and your 'accept the status quo' theology have run out of answers for economic problems...so all you got left is to tell everyone in this growing multitude who's working longer hours later in life to just shut up and take it cause it could be worse! Sounds like the message of Pelosi and the Democrat mandarins also, who on economic and geopolitical issues aren't a stone's throw away from Trump and Republicans! Pelosi releases a report showing her office in lock-step with the Trump Administration on their regime change target - Venezuela. Pelosi supports the same puppet declared to be 'interim president' and a fabricated alliance of lackeys starting with Canada and allied southern fascists like Brazil and Columbia calling itself the "Lima Group" and proclaiming their concerns for democracy in Venezuela. On the homefront, Pelosi mocks the Green New Deal proposals...even in limited form, has equal contempt for real healthcare reform and a national $15 minimum wage....declares in some rambling senile blather that "America cannot be a socialist country," and yet, you pushers of fake reform are going to just go to your only option left: try to scare the public with accusations of disloyalty. When does the Russia card get played again?

Their only criticism is his in-your-face arrogance and a few differences on non-monetary social issues...other than that, it's a collection of plutocrats with slightly different social theories (liberal Gates vs. conservative David Koch), but they all fight for the same global empire that enriches them further and further.

And they have their hangers-on and propagandists who carry water for them. It's a shame if some water bearers will do it for free and watch their quality of life and that of their children decline further and further off into the future!
 
Dec 2016
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It depends on your definition. I don’t refer to them as the establishment on the Democratic side. They are a mixture of opportunists and cowed Liberals who think they have to cow tow to Republican voters to pass the muster of right wing talk radio standard as sensible middle of the road Democrats.

AOC is the result of a young Democrat who is savvy enough to understand that Liberals will always be labeled as socialists nomatter their stance on any policy, so why continue standing in the middle of the road only to be run over anyway.

You damn right. Not only move to the left and demand everyone who claims to be on the same team move left also, or be exposed as the Republican Lite DINO and be primaried our of the party which is all the Democrats needed to do in the first place.

Republicans are not winning over new voters with millennials and Gen Z. Only a minority of them are going to vote Republican because their parents do.

The overwhelming majority of them support AOC, and her moving the party left, and more importantly embracing the policies from that position.
I would agree, except that all evidence indicates that the Democratic Party remains democratic in name only, and the wealthy bought-off leadership still remains entrenched! A lot has been made of a few reforms...like an agreement not to take money from oil, gas and coal companies...but that concession was quietly dispatched within a year, as soon as attention was drawn elsewhere...usually Trump, or Russians or Russians and Trump and whatever other bullshit is held up to distract attention and pretend networks have real news stories for the public!
Same goes for the decision to keep the "Super" delegates from voting in the first round at the nomination convention. Some of the multitude of presidential candidates may just be in there to prevent a reform candidate from winning on the first ballot, and making sure the appointed hacks push through a more acceptable choice in 2nd or 3rd rounds. It's all a ruse to distract and deflect reformist demands that the corrupt, superdelegate system be abolished entirely!

Regular Democratic voters and supporters better start realizing fast that this is not an either/or Republican or Democrat choice in the eyes of a growing number of Americans! Very little research has been done on the huge-38% non-voting segment of the adult population. And that's where some attention needs to be focused on WHY they're not choosing to vote or don't feel able to vote. The non-voters are larger than those who vote for any party, and no doubt owe in large part the fact that neither official party gives much attention to economic issues that affect people in their everyday lives.