50 Female Privileges

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@Lyzza

Then, in a real life scenario, you think:

(A) The girls would get 'tackled' the same way the guys do

(B ) Nobody would intervene in either case

(C) Other

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The video was total bullshit, and if you cant see why then you are blinded by your bias.

The man was never 'tackled', and he was grabbing her by the head and neck. That is much more violent and dangerous than the ridiculous shoving and light slapping the girl gave to the other guy. Not even close to the same level of violence or threat to the other person's safety.
 
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#25
@right to left

Do you have an argument, or merely assertions?
Do you? You haven't presented any evidence beyond your own assertions.

I agree with Lyzza's objections to posting videos instead of texts that can be challenged point by point.

When some youtuber has a flimsy, unsubstantiated argument to make, they...or fans or surrogates post whatever they're blathering about on Youtube, and their fans write ridiculous titles like "Watch Ben Shapiro Destroy __________" or "Watch Jordan Petersen Destroy __________" even though their statements are total bullshit and just intended as catnip to impress their alt-right fans, and make them believe they actually have truth on their side. When I watch the clip(only if it's under 10 min.) I end up asking 'what do alt right fans see here that I'm not seeing that gets them all excited?' I start to wonder if any of the Youtube fans ever actually paid attention to the video themselves or just saw "destroy" in the title and start making comments!

And that's why I never post a video of an interview or a speech, without the accompanying transcript..which is provided by sources like: Real News Network, DemocracyNow or a range of programs on public broadcasting sites. But for some reason, big money corporate broadcasters almost never do this....whatever!

When it comes to what clinicians call Intimate Partner Violence...which has the unfortunate acronym that sounds like some kind of social disease- IPV, this whole dickless, alt-right, misogynist movement got kicked off by studies done in the late 70's that showed...or claimed to show a gender symmetry between rates of IPV between men and women.

The Wikipedia entry on IPV posts subheadings under "By Gender" for both the claims of Gender Symmetry and the more obvious conclusion- Gender Asymmetry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_partner_violence#By_gender

A quick check of the briefer entry of Gender Symmetry reveals obvious fraud by some apparent MRA contributor...since the proof that severity of violence is equal has one footnote...which reveals itself to be a study on dating/not married or co-habitating heterosexual couples!

Gender Asymmetry notes:
While both women and men can be victims and perpetrators of IPV,[47] the majority of such violence is inflicted upon women,[48][49] who are also much more likely to suffer injuries as a result, in both heterosexual and same-sex relationships.[50] Although men and women commit equivalent rates of unreported minor violence via situational altercation, more severe perpetration and domestic battery tends to be committed by men.[44][51][52] This is based on newer CTS methodology as opposed to older versions that did not take into account the contexts in which violence takes place.[53] A 2008 systematic review published in journal of Violence and Victims found that despite less serious altercation or violence being equal among both genders, more serious and violent abuse was perpetrated by men. It was also found that women's use of physical violence was more likely motivated by self-defense or fear whereas men's use of violence was motivated by control.[43] A 2011 systematic review published in the journal of Trauma Violence Abuse found that the common motives for female on male IPV were anger, a need for attention, or as a response to their partner's violence.[54] Another 2011 review published in the journal of Aggression and Violent behavior found differences in the methods of abuse employed by men and women, suggesting that men were more likely to "beat up, choke or strangle" their partners, whereas women were more likely to "throw something at their partner, slap, kick, bite, punch, or hit with an object".[44][55]

This entry may get into mentioning a common pattern of behavior of abusive men...they like to use the threat of violence and harm to control their partners even when they don't act on their threats! They want their wives, common law spouses to bend to their will under threat of violence without having to risk a knock on the door by police in other words.

After being on a union committee which had to deal with a sudden surge of sexual harassment charges and claims by relatively new female employees against male co-workers and superiors, I was shocked at how many female employees refrained from filing grievances or going through other procedures and just tried to deal with harassment on their own in their own ways, until several went on sick leave and some even quit their jobs over it....yet did not come forward with complaints and tell their stories until someone else went first.

Reviewing some of the expert opinion and analysis, we should have noticed long ago that when a group of men and women are gathered together in a room, the men talk louder, talk more frequently and are more likely to interrupt female speakers than male speakers. This shows how much of male 'privilege' or attitudes of male supremacy we internalize and aren't even aware of many times at a conscious level. We might think we're full supporters of women's rights, and unless we apply some self-awareness or reflection on what we say and do, we may be promoting male supremacy and male dominance....just as this thread was intended to do.
 
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The video was total bullshit, and if you cant see why then you are blinded by your bias.

The man was never 'tackled', and he was grabbing her by the head and neck. That is much more violent and dangerous than the ridiculous shoving and light slapping the girl gave to the other guy. Not even close to the same level of violence or threat to the other person's safety.
And if we could see the lead-up, I bet it would show that the guy provoked her to start with, and was lookiing for a chance to hit back harder.
 
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Do you? You haven't presented any evidence beyond your own assertions.

I agree with Lyzza's objections to posting videos instead of texts that can be challenged point by point.

When some youtuber has a flimsy, unsubstantiated argument to make, they...or fans or surrogates post whatever they're blathering about on Youtube, and their fans write ridiculous titles like "Watch Ben Shapiro Destroy __________" or "Watch Jordan Petersen Destroy __________" even though their statements are total bullshit and just intended as catnip to impress their alt-right fans, and make them believe they actually have truth on their side. When I watch the clip(only if it's under 10 min.) I end up asking 'what do alt right fans see here that I'm not seeing that gets them all excited?' I start to wonder if any of the Youtube fans ever actually paid attention to the video themselves or just saw "destroy" in the title and start making comments!

And that's why I never post a video of an interview or a speech, without the accompanying transcript..which is provided by sources like: Real News Network, DemocracyNow or a range of programs on public broadcasting sites. But for some reason, big money corporate broadcasters almost never do this....whatever!

When it comes to what clinicians call Intimate Partner Violence...which has the unfortunate acronym that sounds like some kind of social disease- IPV, this whole dickless, alt-right, misogynist movement got kicked off by studies done in the late 70's that showed...or claimed to show a gender symmetry between rates of IPV between men and women.

The Wikipedia entry on IPV posts subheadings under "By Gender" for both the claims of Gender Symmetry and the more obvious conclusion- Gender Asymmetry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_partner_violence#By_gender

A quick check of the briefer entry of Gender Symmetry reveals obvious fraud by some apparent MRA contributor...since the proof that severity of violence is equal has one footnote...which reveals itself to be a study on dating/not married or co-habitating heterosexual couples!

Gender Asymmetry notes:
While both women and men can be victims and perpetrators of IPV,[47] the majority of such violence is inflicted upon women,[48][49] who are also much more likely to suffer injuries as a result, in both heterosexual and same-sex relationships.[50] Although men and women commit equivalent rates of unreported minor violence via situational altercation, more severe perpetration and domestic battery tends to be committed by men.[44][51][52] This is based on newer CTS methodology as opposed to older versions that did not take into account the contexts in which violence takes place.[53] A 2008 systematic review published in journal of Violence and Victims found that despite less serious altercation or violence being equal among both genders, more serious and violent abuse was perpetrated by men. It was also found that women's use of physical violence was more likely motivated by self-defense or fear whereas men's use of violence was motivated by control.[43] A 2011 systematic review published in the journal of Trauma Violence Abuse found that the common motives for female on male IPV were anger, a need for attention, or as a response to their partner's violence.[54] Another 2011 review published in the journal of Aggression and Violent behavior found differences in the methods of abuse employed by men and women, suggesting that men were more likely to "beat up, choke or strangle" their partners, whereas women were more likely to "throw something at their partner, slap, kick, bite, punch, or hit with an object".[44][55]

This entry may get into mentioning a common pattern of behavior of abusive men...they like to use the threat of violence and harm to control their partners even when they don't act on their threats! They want their wives, common law spouses to bend to their will under threat of violence without having to risk a knock on the door by police in other words.

After being on a union committee which had to deal with a sudden surge of sexual harassment charges and claims by relatively new female employees against male co-workers and superiors, I was shocked at how many female employees refrained from filing grievances or going through other procedures and just tried to deal with harassment on their own in their own ways, until several went on sick leave and some even quit their jobs over it....yet did not come forward with complaints and tell their stories until someone else went first.

Reviewing some of the expert opinion and analysis, we should have noticed long ago that when a group of men and women are gathered together in a room, the men talk louder, talk more frequently and are more likely to interrupt female speakers than male speakers. This shows how much of male 'privilege' or attitudes of male supremacy we internalize and aren't even aware of many times at a conscious level. We might think we're full supporters of women's rights, and unless we apply some self-awareness or reflection on what we say and do, we may be promoting male supremacy and male dominance....just as this thread was intended to do.
Excellent post, especially those last 3 paragraphs. Thank you.