Abortion is murder

[Jimmyb]

Each state has a declaration of rights before the Constitution. The citizens of the states were and are protected by the state constitutions. That is how our government is structured. The Federalist's argument against a bill of rights was that creating a bill of rights or a set of restrictions would give the federal government an avenue to regulate and take away rights. That is what the federal govenment has done and the Federalists were right.

People get confused between the difference between a unitary government and a compact between the states.

 

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@Sabcat

In honesty, that is how I feel--give them their own few states where they can congregate, hike up their own State & Community taxes for everything, take away self-defense weapons, etc. etc.etc. Just, importantly, do not ask me to join--I won't.

yeah, that from the pro-capitalist mob who think they are going to ride the coattails of the uber-rich investment class! They're shaking off more and more as the years go by! Back in the 70's, there was still a large blue collar middle class until the rich got their act together and took better control over media and the political system to maximize their profits. With Trump in power, they have an idiot who signs off on everything on the wish list....because he also benefits of course! But, most of us don't have enough equity to be real capitalists, and the system will have no way to keep running on fumes within the next 20 years as transnational capitalism fouls the nest completely that we all have to live in!

I wish those of us who want something different had the option of leaving the rat race behind completely. But that can only be done partially on a very limited basis, because there's not much left that hasn't been noticed by the forces of capitalism! The process was already universal even in the days of the Soviet Union as the "2nd World" alternative to western power and finance. But, since 1989, capitalism pushes full-throttle all over the world, and nations and political parties calling themselves "socialist" are already making concessions to the global capitalist system. The problem since 89, is the Global Giants of investment capital consider any nation placing restrictions on "Free Trade" to be subjects to place on the list of nations to either submit completely to international or foreign investment, or be subject for regime change managed by the US of A.

But, unless you make it to the top, don't expect much relief on your tax burden! When the global giants and 2nd tier capitalists rewrite the rules to exempt most of their earnings from US and foreign taxation, somebody has to pick up the tab! And that's going to be working people struggliing to make a living....paying for the maintenance of degraded infrastructure and the oppressive burden of supporting the bloated military and security bureaucracy!....the government waste nobody seems to mention since the days of a Republican Senator actually -- William Proxmire.

 

[Jimmyb]

If anyone wants to discover that a state is restricted from taking away rights, just read any state Constitution. I would recommend reading the Virginia Declaration of Rights. The difference is that the states's constitutions are written in libertarian language, which is actual protection of rights rather than restrictions on government.

Here is the contrast between a libertarian protection of rights and a restriction on government. The first ten amendments were created to prevent the federal government from taking away the rights protected in the states' constitutions:

Virginia Declaration of Rights:

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration. And that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community has an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal.​

The preamble to the first ten amendments:

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.​

 

[xMathFanx]

What he is describing is a situation in which you have no guaranteed rights. Sure the Federal Government may not be able to intrude on your free speech rights but whatever state you live in can do so with impunity. No protection from self incrimination. No protection against warrentless searches. No protection in your right to bear arms.

@Nwolfe35

That is a fair point, as the restriction against slavery ultimately had to be mandated on a federal level. Otherwise, the 13th amendment (banning slavery) merely would have meant that the federal government can not enslave you, while Georgia can.

 

[Tony]

Liberals are more concerned with cage eggs and free range chickens than they are with killing unborn humans. But...Margaret Sanger's getting her way with the extermination of black Americans by way of planned parenthood. More black babies are now aborted...than are born in NYC.

 

[bill sands]

not according to the bible

Liberals are more concerned with cage eggs and free range chickens than they are with killing unborn humans. But...Margaret Sanger's getting her way with the extermination of black Americans by way of planned parenthood. More black babies are now aborted...than are born in NYC.

a human fetus can be quite tasty if stewed and seasoned properly

 

[bill sands]

it isnt murder in the bible
Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

 

[bill sands]

Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

 

[bill sands]

The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being

 

[bill sands]

The only verses I know that address the legal status of “seed” in the womb come in a brief section of case law.
Exodus 21:22-25 describes a case where a pregnant woman jumps into a fight between her husband and another man and suffers injuries that cause her to miscarry. Injuries to the woman prompt the normal penalties for harming another human being: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. Killing the woman is murder, a capital crime.
The miscarriage is treated differently, however — as property loss, not murder. The assailant must pay a fine to the husband. The law of a life for a life does not apply. The fetus is important, but it’s not human life in the same way the pregnant woman is.
My impression is that most Americans have a more nuanced and conservative view than the Bible does on this, though we’re getting at the same idea: an important moral and legal line is crossed when the fetus can survive outside the womb.
For the Bible, that’s when a child is born and starts breathing. For many of us today, it’s when a fetus becomes “viable” — somewhere between 21 and 27 weeks into the pregnancy, thanks to our amazing medical technology.

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