Alyssa Milano Calls for 'Sex Strike' Over Georgia Anti-Abortion Law

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I did not *DID NOT* miss your point. You are too compromised to see beyond your own convictions. So you just keep repeating the same statements.
Pay attention to what the DOCTOR is saying. He agrees with you to a degree.
Of course a sick fetus CAN be kept alive.....sometimes...under certain circumstances.

Let me tell you a true story. A very dear friend of mine was told that her baby (still in the womb) was not growing. Obviously, something was terribly wrong. This friend was confined to bedrest, more tests were run and the outlook was dire. When the baby was delivered it was a premie with an enlarged heart, very little brain function, lung dysplasia, inability to suckle and projectile vomiting. The baby was hospitalized for about one month and then sent home with no hope of survival. For three more months the parents did what they could for this little guy and watched him slowly die. The baby basically starved to death and the parents watched. They grieved every hour--every day. The doctor bills were astounding. They couldn't sleep--couldn't leave the house. AND they had another child---a three-year-old boy--who was our Godson.
Mr. Clara and I did what we could. We cooked meals--brought groceries--took the 3 yr old home with us as often as possible.
I cannot STRESS the horror of those days and the NIGHTMARE those wonderful friends went through.

So.....be very careful about what you wish for, my friend. There can be horrific consequences.
You come in with a sick baby story when that is not the issue.

Yes you are still ignoring my point if you see it at all.

The issue is that rvw claimed babies to be viable to live outside the womb at a certain point.

That point is extremely lower now and the debate is if a fetus can live outside the womb. The debate is not if a sick baby can live outside the womb.

Do you understand? The majority of babies do not have to be removed early but if they are healthy then they are able to live outside the womb much earlier than rvw standards.

All the stats show if a sick baby has a chance to live but not if a healthy baby can live.

It would be ok to use those stats if it were illegal to abort a healthy baby.

However abortion happens to healthy and unhealthy yet the stats of viability do not represent the truth that a baby who is healthy yet taken out of the womb at 20 weeks will survive in most cases with care.
 
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Is there any logical reason to abort a healthy baby past 19 weeks?
If proper birth control being available and detection methods being available.
Does: because a pregnant woman wants an abortion count? If you can't figure it out yet, you're not the one who's having a baby! So you know nothing from first hand experience any more than I do! I could say: a woman doesn't know what it's like to go through having a vasectomy...which according to strict Catholics also kills life and denies human potential to be fruitful and multiply yadayadayada!

Anyway, how's this for a "sick baby story":

Abortions Should Be Commonplace And Guilt-Free
.........................As we discussed the other day, female reproductive sovereignty is absolutely essential if humanity is to overcome the crises that are looming on the horizon without resorting to ridiculous measures like deporting humans off the planet to live in Amazon Space Tubes. All that is needed to beat overpopulation is for women around the world to have access to money and total reproductive sovereignty; to be able to access birth control and abortions whenever they need them without guilt trips and societal pressures.​
Because guess what? Having a child is really, really hard, and most women when given a fully-informed and pressure-free choice won’t choose to do it very often. You know how I know? I have had two children.​
I was brought up Catholic and was fully indoctrinated by my schooling into an anti-abortion stance. Do you want to know what changed my mind? Having a baby. It was the hardest, most life-changing, body-changing, mind-changing thing I have ever done. Every single thing about my beingness had to submit to accommodate my baby. From the morning sickness, through to carrying the child to term, through the long months of breastfeeding and sleep deprivation, to the fact that I had gone from being the primary concern in my life to secondary in every way possible. Every plan I had every made for myself necessarily had to go out the window.
I realized with some shame that as much as I loved my kid, I should never have so arrogantly assumed that I had the right to guilt other women into such an extraordinarily radical permanently life-altering decision. I had no right to shove some random stranger’s life on to a totally different and unwanted trajectory because I had some weird religious ideas about the potentiality of a bunch of replicating cells. That’s a severe intercession on her free will and I have no right to do that.​
Having said that, women who have babies are superheroes. I live for the day when it’s mothers who are thanked for their service instead of soldiers. When you become a mom, you immediately become a passenger in your own life, and your child’s needs take the driver’s seat. Every single thing becomes relative to what’s best for your child. You don’t mean it to, it just happens. I was not a particularly selfless 25 year-old when I had my first baby, and overnight I was no longer numero uno in my life anymore.​
And it’s so hard. In a world that is so toxic to life in so many ways, protecting your little baby to adulthood requires every ounce of creativity and inspiration you have in you. As hard as having a baby is on your body, bringing up a child with relative sanity in a world that is freaking crazy is even more taxing on your mind. My babies are nearly adults now, and I still have their needs first in a permanent but everchanging to-do list in my mind. In fact, I decided to take on this role when I saw them become more and more depressed about the mass extinctions, the dying reefs, the de-oxygenating oceans full of sea life-killing plastic, the lead-laden drinking water and rivers ruined by fracking as our environment suffers death by a thousand corporatist papercuts and the planet itself becomes more and more toxic to life. The kids see all this. They’re not stupid and they have the internet. It’s heartbreaking to hear them talk to each other, making these nihilistic jokes about their grim future, wryly noting that their parents’ generation does nothing but drag our feet to try and milk a few extra bucks out of an exhausted Mother Earth.​
One day I found myself saying “Don’t worry, I’ve got this. Let me deal with this, I’ll fix it.” I didn’t know how and I still don’t but I set my intention and committed myself to doing anything that needs to be done.​
I’m locked in. There is nothing more determined than a mother on a mission. And here’s the thing: if I fell pregnant now, you could forget about my daily zingers for the first three months because I’ll be as sick as a dog with morning sickness. There will be a window of about 45 days where I might be able to write, but pregnancy brain is a thing so don’t expect me to be all that sharp. And then you can forget about the next two to three years that will be taken up with the all-encompassing task of getting over the labor, getting breastfeeding established, sleep deprivation, working my way through a buttload of hormonal anxiety and the day-to-day task of protecting a tiny vulnerable little being who is so utterly helpless that you can see his little brain pulsating through his fontanelle throughout all his development stages until he can walk around on his own two feet and make his own cereal.​
Which is why, if I get pregnant now, I will happily have an abortion. I’ve never had one before but I’d cheerfully have one now because I think what I’m doing right now is important and I choose to put it first. I choose to put it first because paradoxically I choose to put my children first. I put them on earth, they deserve to enjoy a long life on a healthy planet. I really should’ve sorted that out before they got here.​
But also (and this is something I have only recently become powerfully clear on), I would have an abortion because I have the right to put me first. This is literally my body and I get to say who’s allowed to lie around for nine months gestating in it. I have the right to decide when it is appropriate to bring a baby into the world. I have come to realize too that taking a stand on this is essential to our ongoing survival as a species. Returning women’s sexual sovereignty is the only healthy way to curb overpopulation. Every woman needs to be able to make the decision of whether or not to have a child, because we are the ones with the internal wisdom to know when we are in a safe and abundant enough situation to nurture a child to a healthy adulthood.​
For the majority of single women in the US right now, and especially in a state as poor as Alabama, choosing to have a baby is choosing to live in poverty. Until the work of child-rearing and mothering is honored appropriately with sufficient monetary value, then anyone who criminalizes abortion is forcing women into poverty against their will. This, by the way, is slavery. Forcing people to do work against their will and without recompense is slavery, and gestating and raising a child is hard, draining work.​
And for those “it takes two to tango” people who never fail to bloviate endlessly about how this would all be solved if a woman just kept her legs shut, read this devastating throw-down by a Mormon mother of six who lays out an unassailable argument about why every single unwanted pregnancy is always indisputably the man’s fault. Men could easily stop their sexual partners from needing abortions if they chose to change their behavior. This is a watertight fact. So if you, as a man, find abortion reprehensible, well that’s fine, read this thread, make the adjustments you need to make and you will never put a woman through one.​
Women have spent the last few thousand years accommodating men’s irresponsible sexual behavior, mainly because we were scared you’d kill us or starve us or both. That must end if we are to halt overpopulation and free up half the population’s energy and creativity to put towards reversing our current perilous predicament which is a fun-house mirror of the same weirdly gross paternalistic desire to insist we make all the babies. This sick obsession with making women pump out every single baby mirrors our omnicidal thrust that insists on infinite growth on a finite planet. Females in most species of animal are the ones that put the brakes on fertility, and now more than ever we must be allowed to firmly plant our collective foot.​

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/05/15/abortions-should-be-commonplace-and-guilt-free/
 
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Is there any logical reason to abort a healthy baby past 19 weeks?

If proper birth control being available and detection methods being available.
Clearly, murder laws deal with a healthy baby 19 weeks after birth.
I suspect you continue to confuse "embryo" with "healthy baby". Not typically a difficult concept, but apparently you cannot process that idea.

Maybe you should just accept that the world if full of issues you will not understand. Then, try to stop micro-managing other people's wombs.
 
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Good questions. The quality of life for a healthy baby does not really change because of being premature but other underlying issues.
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Premature babies face a lifetime of potential health problems, imposing a huge burden on parents and threatening a public health crisis, researchers have warned.​
A long-term study of more than one million men and women has found that those born prematurely – before 37 weeks' gestation – were more likely to die in childhood; had lower educational achievement; were less likely to have families of their own; and more likely to have offspring of their own born prematurely and with complications.​
The study is among the first to look at the long-term effects of prematurity and may cause parents of such babies to despair. But there is good news. Most premature babies survive, and their chances of survival into adulthood improve the longer they live. Most are also healthy and fertile, despite their early arrival.​

I could have pulled up a dozen more links about links to mental and physical illness correlated with being born premature. I'm not saying that doctors and medical staff shouldn't try to save premature babies whenever possible. But, there is an obvious correlation from the data that the earlier you go back in gestation, the greater the health problems even much later in life. There are many environmental factors that can skew the odds up or down; but premature birth is a significant first strike!
Example i cling too is a baby being born at 6.5 months on a ferry in galveston tx with zero complications or doctor intervention.
Some middle class women do everything perfect preparing themselves for baby, and then have a child with major physical and mental complications/ while some women keep drinking, smoking and taking drugs during pregnancy and still give birth to healthy, normal babies. Which course produces the best results on average?
 
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6-8 minutes​
Premature babies face a lifetime of potential health problems, imposing a huge burden on parents and threatening a public health crisis, researchers have warned.​
A long-term study of more than one million men and women has found that those born prematurely – before 37 weeks' gestation – were more likely to die in childhood; had lower educational achievement; were less likely to have families of their own; and more likely to have offspring of their own born prematurely and with complications.​
The study is among the first to look at the long-term effects of prematurity and may cause parents of such babies to despair. But there is good news. Most premature babies survive, and their chances of survival into adulthood improve the longer they live. Most are also healthy and fertile, despite their early arrival.​

I could have pulled up a dozen more links about links to mental and physical illness correlated with being born premature. I'm not saying that doctors and medical staff shouldn't try to save premature babies whenever possible. But, there is an obvious correlation from the data that the earlier you go back in gestation, the greater the health problems even much later in life. There are many environmental factors that can skew the odds up or down; but premature birth is a significant first strike!

Some middle class women do everything perfect preparing themselves for baby, and then have a child with major physical and mental complications/ while some women keep drinking, smoking and taking drugs during pregnancy and still give birth to healthy, normal babies. Which course produces the best results on average?
You are missing the point. The point is that if a baby comes naturally premature it is due to a underlying problem.

The issue is that women are aborting babies that are not premature and are healthy that is taken out of the womb instead of being terminated they would live and be healthy.

I suppose the truth is too complicated for most people to grasp here.

Healthy baby removed from the womb has a very high viability rate to live where a naturally premature baby does not have a high survival chance.

The stats are skewed!