Amid Escalating Tension, Ukraine Bans Russian Men From Crossing Its Borders

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Amid Escalating Tension, Ukraine Bans Russian Men
From Crossing Its Borders


Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko on Friday barred Russian men of military age from entering the country, saying the order was needed to prevent an infiltration in what appeared to be an allusion to Moscow's 2014 takeover of Crimea from Ukraine.

Poroshenko's decree comes days after he assumed martial law powers in Ukraine following a maritime skirmish in the Kerch Strait that joins the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov through Crimea. That encounter saw Russian warships fire on and seize three Ukrainian navy vessels, wounding several of their crew.

"Today, the entry of foreigners is limited — primarily citizens of the Russian Federation — non-admission of citizens of the Russian Federation aged from 16 to 60, male," Petro Tsygyka, the Ukrainian head of the border service, said in a televised meeting Friday.

Poroshenko tweeted on Friday that the restriction was enacted to prevent the infiltration of "private armies."

In 2014, Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms infiltrated Crimea, taking control of Ukrainian ships and military bases on the peninsula as Moscow insisted its forces were not involved.



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Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?

Amid Escalating Tension, Ukraine Bans Russian Men
From Crossing Its Borders


Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko on Friday barred Russian men of military age from entering the country, saying the order was needed to prevent an infiltration in what appeared to be an allusion to Moscow's 2014 takeover of Crimea from Ukraine.

Poroshenko's decree comes days after he assumed martial law powers in Ukraine following a maritime skirmish in the Kerch Strait that joins the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov through Crimea. That encounter saw Russian warships fire on and seize three Ukrainian navy vessels, wounding several of their crew.

"Today, the entry of foreigners is limited — primarily citizens of the Russian Federation — non-admission of citizens of the Russian Federation aged from 16 to 60, male," Petro Tsygyka, the Ukrainian head of the border service, said in a televised meeting Friday.

Poroshenko tweeted on Friday that the restriction was enacted to prevent the infiltration of "private armies."

In 2014, Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms infiltrated Crimea, taking control of Ukrainian ships and military bases on the peninsula as Moscow insisted its forces were not involved.



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There are two theories on why Porky would send a couple of rinkydink gunboats under that new 4.5 billion dollar bridge over the Kerch Stait unannounced:
1. Ukraine is just playing the "cat's paw" for their US backers and funders to provoke a wider conflict with Russia, or
2. Porky needed an excuse to postpone a national election, since last polling showed his popular support at 8%, and likely to lose to Tymoshenko at 13%.....with no candidates having 20% support!

Drama in the Kerch Strait: teasing the Russian bear
 
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There are two theories on why Porky would send a couple of rinkydink gunboats under that new 4.5 billion dollar bridge over the Kerch Stait unannounced:
1. Ukraine is just playing the "cat's paw" for their US backers and funders to provoke a wider conflict with Russia, or
2. Porky needed an excuse to postpone a national election, since last polling showed his popular support at 8%, and likely to lose to Tymoshenko at 13%.....with no candidates having 20% support!

Drama in the Kerch Strait: teasing the Russian bear
What happened depends on who you're listening to.

Investigating The Kerch Strait Incident - bellingcat

Do you have any good reason why Ukrainian ships would need Russian permission to access Ukrainian ports?
 
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What happened depends on who you're listening to.

Investigating The Kerch Strait Incident - bellingcat

Do you have any good reason why Ukrainian ships would need Russian permission to access Ukrainian ports?
Yes I do as a matter of fact! First off, your trusty Neocon prop site doesn't address the first question I had when it popped up under 'breaking news'........ why was the tiny convoy - two small armoured patrol boats and a tugboat going through the narrow strait unannounced and apparently unflagged in the first place?

Your source also fails to mention that after the Russian Government took possession of Crimea after that referendum five years ago, the Ukraine Government instituted a land blockade forcing all travel between Russia and Crimea to be done by sea.....to which the Russians responded by building a 4.6 billion dollar bridge ...... a bridge that Ukrainian fascists sitting in their legislature have declared that they will either bomb or blow up in a terrorist attack ..... if and when they are able to do so.

For reasons I've already wrote about five years ago after the CIA/Color revolution, most Russians never accepted Crimea being awarded to Ukraine in 1954 in first place, and past sensible US administrations.....who didn't want another warzone in the region like Yugoslavia, made western-oriented Ukraine governments back down from threats to seize control of the ports and naval base ...... which Yeltsin threatened to go to war over. But we live in an age of insanity now where all wars are good for business!

Now setting all this crappola aside about where the boundaries should be, fact remains that they ventured through an area with military vessels that could have been an indicator of an imminent attack. They're lucky to be still alive to complain about being arrested!

In the final analysis, whenever any American official or media spin doctor starts feigning outrage about what the Russians or the Chinese or any smaller nation in US gunsites for regime change are doing inside their territories or near their borders, I have to ask what the hell would the US do if a more powerful regime was moving forces closer and closer to their borders?

When I was very young back in the days of the Red Menace, the Neocons were hyperventilating about Vietnam being another "domino" about to fall and the Communists overrunning America.......... so let me know when you have a justifiable excuse for bombing, instigating regime change and unloading billions of dollars worth of armaments to start and maintain more endless wars!
 

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Yes I do as a matter of fact! First off, your trusty Neocon prop site doesn't address the first question I had when it popped up under 'breaking news'........ why was the tiny convoy - two small armoured patrol boats and a tugboat going through the narrow strait unannounced and apparently unflagged in the first place?
On every Russia-Ukraine issue you repeat every Russian talking point verbatim. That's a mystery to me. I've no use for Petro and the Ukrainian oligarchs, but no matter how corrupt he and they are, that doesn't make Putin look good. He's a murderous SOB. He's KGB.

Now why the "convoy?" How about, why had the Russians been harassing merchant ships traveling in and out or Mariupol for several weeks? Unannounced? Can you show me in the text of the Russia-Ukraine agreement to allow the other to have full access to Black Sea and Sea of Azov any "notice" requirement agreed to by both sides? As for being unflagged, just take a look at the ramming video, and you'll see a Ukrainian flag flying.

Your source also fails to mention that after the Russian Government took possession of Crimea after that referendum five years ago, the Ukraine Government instituted a land blockade forcing all travel between Russia and Crimea to be done by sea.....to which the Russians responded by building a 4.6 billion dollar bridge ...... a bridge that Ukrainian fascists sitting in their legislature have declared that they will either bomb or blow up in a terrorist attack ..... if and when they are able to do so.
A lot of people threaten a lot of things.But let's get the timeline straight. The Russian military operation against Ukraine started on [Feb. 20, 2014], according to the inscription on the Medal "For the Return of Crimea", awarded by the Russian Ministry of Defence. (wiki) Initially, groups of Crimeans demonstrated for and against the new government in Kiev. A huge demonstration against annexation occurred in Moscow.

Quickly, the pro-Russian Crimeans quickly formed "civil defense squads," organized by biker gang the Night Wolves. Great guys. Quickly, Russian military convoys were seen. By Feb. 26, checkpoints manned by Russian soldiers were flying the Russian flag.

On February 27, at 4:20 local time, sixty pro-Russian gunmen seized Crimea's parliament building and Council of Ministers building. They were said to be professionals and heavily armed.[35] Thirty broke into the building initially, with a bus carrying another thirty and additional weapons arriving later.[36] The gunmen were unmarked but raised Russian flags.[37]
While the gunmen occupied Crimea's parliament building, the parliament held an emergency session.[38][39] It voted to terminate the Crimean government, and replace Prime Minister Anatolii Mohyliov with Sergey Aksyonov.[40] Aksyonov belonged to the Russian Unity party, which received 4% of the vote in the last election.[39]It also voted to hold a referendum on greater autonomy on 25 May. The gunmen had cut all of the building's communications and took MPs' phones as they entered.[38][39] No independent journalists were allowed inside the building while the votes were taking place.[39] Some MPs claimed they were being threatened and that votes were cast for them and other MPs, even though they were not in the chamber. (wiki)

On February 27, at 4:20 local time, sixty pro-Russian gunmen seized Crimea's parliament building and Council of Ministers building. They were said to be professionals and heavily armed.[35] Thirty broke into the building initially, with a bus carrying another thirty and additional weapons arriving later.[36] The gunmen were unmarked but raised Russian flags.[37]
While the gunmen occupied Crimea's parliament building, the parliament held an emergency session.[38][39] It voted to terminate the Crimean government, and replace Prime Minister Anatolii Mohyliov with Sergey Aksyonov.[40] Aksyonov belonged to the Russian Unity party, which received 4% of the vote in the last election.[39]It also voted to hold a referendum on greater autonomy on 25 May. The gunmen had cut all of the building's communications and took MPs' phones as they entered.[38][39] No independent journalists were allowed inside the building while the votes were taking place.[39] Some MPs claimed they were being threatened and that votes were cast for them and other MPs, even though they were not in the chamber. Freedom fighters, but when did Ukraine close the border with Crimea?

On the morning of February 27, Berkut units from Crimea - Yaukovych's attack dogs who beat the hell out of peaceful demonstrators in Kiev and other cities - and other regions of Ukraine (dissolved by the decree of 25 February) seized checkpoints on the Isthmus of Perekop and Chonhar peninsula.[48][49][50] According to MP Hennadiy Moskal, former Chief of Crimean police, they had armoured personnel carriers, grenade launchers, assault rifles, machine guns and other weapons.[48] Since then they control all traffic by land between Crimea and continental Ukraine.

So, the border was closed by pro-Russia forces. These might seem like iOn the morning of February 27, Berkut units from Crimea and other regions of Ukraine (dissolved by the decree of 25 February) seized checkpoints on the Isthmus of Perekop and Chonhar peninsula.[48][49][50] According to MP Hennadiy Moskal, former Chief of Crimean police, they had armoured personnel carriers, grenade launchers, assault rifles, machine guns and other weapons.[48] Since then they control all traffic by land between Crimea and continental Ukraine. wiki

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On the morning of February 27, Berkut units from Crimea and other regions of Ukraine (dissolved by the decree of 25 February) seized checkpoints on the Isthmus of Perekop and Chonhar peninsula.[48][49][50] According to MP Hennadiy Moskal, former Chief of Crimean police, they had armoured personnel carriers, grenade launchers, assault rifles, machine guns and other weapons.[48] Since then they control all traffic by land between Crimea and continental UkraiOn the morning of February 27, Berkut units from Crimea and other regions of Ukraine (dissolved by the decree of 25 February) seized checkpoints on the Isthmus of Perekop and Chonhar peninsula.[48][49][50] According to MP Hennadiy Moskal, former Chief of Crimean police, they had armoured personnel carriers, grenade launchers, assault rifles, machine guns and other weapons.[48] Since then they control all traffic by land between Crimea and continental Ukraine. (wiki)

The "referendum" (can't ya just see Putin being cool with a referendum in Chechnya, or say, Belarus?) occurred on March 16, 2014. The result? 95.5 percent of the voters in Crimea supported joining Russia. Sure. Of course.

On March 22, 2014, Ukraine seals off its border with the newly annexed Crimea.

These details may seem insignificant to you, but they stand in sharp contrast to the Russian version of events which you've posted numerous times.

For reasons I've already wrote about five years ago after the CIA/Color revolution, most Russians never accepted Crimea being awarded to Ukraine in 1954 in first place, and past sensible US administrations.....who didn't want another warzone in the region like Yugoslavia, made western-oriented Ukraine governments back down from threats to seize control of the ports and naval base ...... which Yeltsin threatened to go to war over. But we live in an age of insanity now where all wars are good for business!
Agreed, MICs feed on the blood of the innocent, worldwide. But I request that you to point out any Ukrainian threat to seize control of Crimean Russian naval facilities circa 2013-2014.

Now setting all this crappola aside about where the boundaries should be, fact remains that they ventured through an area with military vessels that could have been an indicator of an imminent attack. They're lucky to be still alive to complain about being arrested!
Two tugboats and a "gunship" is an invasion force bent on attacking Russia? Yeah, that's what the Russians say....

In the final analysis, whenever any American official or media spin doctor starts feigning outrage about what the Russians or the Chinese or any smaller nation in US gunsites for regime change are doing inside their territories or near their borders, I have to ask what the hell would the US do if a more powerful regime was moving forces closer and closer to their borders?

When I was very young back in the days of the Red Menace, the Neocons were hyperventilating about Vietnam being another "domino" about to fall and the Communists overrunning America.......... so let me know when you have a justifiable excuse for bombing, instigating regime change and unloading billions of dollars worth of armaments to start and maintain more endless wars!
You're conflating subjects. The US is an evil empire. The USSR was an evil empire. The Russian Federation is an evil empire. In fact. all empires are evil, and all are driven by the love of money.

Ukraine is stuck in between two evil empires. The majority of Ukrainians want to be integrated into the EU. Fervently. Right or wrong, that's what they want, and Yanukovych ran as a pro-EU candidate. Days before signing the agreement to begin Ukraine's EU integration process, and after his visit with Putin, he declared the deal was off.

That's how this shit started.
 
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On every Russia-Ukraine issue you repeat every Russian talking point verbatim.
It's not my fault that you jumped in on the wrong side of this issue early on five years ago! As soon as I heard the recording of Victoria Nuland declaring that the US has already 5 billion in reforming and revitalizing Ukraine right at the beginning of the so called "Orange Revolution," that was a clear indicator that this was just one more CIA-managed color revolution as happened prior in Georgia, Tunisia and Libya.
That's a mystery to me. I've no use for Petro and the Ukrainian oligarchs, but no matter how corrupt he and they are, that doesn't make Putin look good. He's a murderous SOB. He's KGB.
Who isn't? Prior to the Orange Revolution, Ukraine was effectively ruled by 7 billionaire oligarchs who....as in Russia and every other former communist country, bought up state assets at firesale prices. Most of Ukraine's new oligarchs were western-oriented and wanted an independent Ukraine to pull away from Russia and join the E.U., BUT the richest of the filthy rich- Rinat Akhmetov essentially owned everything that was worth owning in the East, and so was motivated to keep the country together and as a go-between, rather than breaking away from Russia....the buyer of most of the steel and manufactured products from the factories he now owned and profited from. He liked things pretty much as they were and didn't want much to change.

So, when unrest broke out in Donetsk, and barricades were set up to prevent Kiev Government forces from entering and claiming the city, Akhmetov ordered his private security army to remove the barricades and force the demonstrators off the streets. His reasoning being that he and he alone could control and manage any eastern rebels, and he wanted to establish a new deal with the west, since his COR Party and his president- Yanukovitch was on the run. But, Kiev would have none of it! Akhmetov ended up going from most powerful man in Ukraine to being its biggest loser, as a Communist Party formed the provisional government in Donetsk and seized all of his former assets as state property....while he had to run to Mariupol and make an even more conciliatory deal with Kiev leaders to maintain what he had left in his last stronghold in Mariupol.

So, it's all a sordid history....as should be expected in any place where rule of law vanishes and a small band of kleptocrats are allowed to steal all of a nation's assets and control the economy. In every oligarchy, the term "corruption" becomes meaningless as every government official is on the take and can be accused of corruption. So, it shouldn't have been a surprise that Ukraine would end up no better and likely worse off five years after the coup than they were before. When a small cabal of extremely wealthy men run an impoverished nation, nothing will change to benefit the majority of people. So, judging from dismal polling numbers for Porky and the rest of the presidential candidates who all fall under 20% support, the majority of people have likely given up on the system and would take to the streets if nazi, murderous Azov paramilitaries weren't allowed to run rampant and kill anyone who offends them.

Likely the only true statement Trump has made since taking office was to a grilling by the press on why he would want good relations with Putin - "the murderer?"....to which he responded: "we've killed people too." Fact remains that Russia may have looked at the civil war as an opportunity to take Crimea back...which there may be a case for, since it was under contention as soon as the Soviet Union dissolved and Yeltsin took over Russia. BUT, that didn't mean that Russia wanted the Donbass...which they still don't want to take possession of today! All of the blathering about the Berkut and Russian support for Donbass rebels needs to take into consideration that at the height of the war for consolidation of territories...which occurred prior to Poroshenko becoming president, there were over 800,000 Donbass refugees who fled across the border into Russia! WHY? You only read the Kievan coup sources that detail anything and everything eastern rebels have done, without mentioning that the Ukes - led by Pravy Sektor and other nazi and neonazi fascists who eventually came together as the Azov Battalion, were following a path of ethnically cleansing Russians and Russian-speaking Orthodox settlers in those eastern provinces! Nothing was mentioned in our respectable media on this, so anyone who wasn't following Russian and independent- antiwar and anti-imperialist writers and journalists would miss the connections with the setup of this color revolution and the past ones, because MSM and a lot of supposedly honest and independent observers jumped on the bandwagon and refrained from asking hard questions! When I see reports and accounts (same with the Syrian debacle) that entirely omit the other side of any dispute, I put little trust in them!
Now why the "convoy?" How about, why had the Russians been harassing merchant ships traveling in and out or Mariupol for several weeks? Unannounced? Can you show me in the text of the Russia-Ukraine agreement to allow the other to have full access to Black Sea and Sea of Azov any "notice" requirement agreed to by both sides? As for being unflagged, just take a look at the ramming video, and you'll see a Ukrainian flag flying.
The first obvious question is: how did this tiny Ukraine flotilla expect to accomplish militarily what they claim to have not been able to do by other means? The closest thing I can find to an unbiased source is this piece on Reuters:

Squabbles over control of the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait, which connects to the Black Sea to the south, are nothing new. Tensions flared in 2003 during Vladimir Putin's first term as Russian president.*​
These were calmed with a 2003 bilateral treaty stipulating that both countries could use the Kerch Strait and Azov Sea freely for commercial shipping and must notify each other while sending military vessels.​
WHAT HAS HAPPENED THIS YEAR?​
Tensions have increased in the area this year, with Ukraine accusing Russia of persistently detaining ships sailing to and from its ports on the Azov Sea, especially Mariupol and Berdyansk, with a view to disrupting trade.​
Russia in turn accuses Ukraine of harassing Russian ships, and says its own checks on Ukrainian vessels are lawful and necessary to ensure the security of the area.​
Other interviewed sources I came across claimed that disputes over Sea of Azov shipping began almost as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, and it was Putin himself who wanted a firm deal to regulate shipping and prevent hostilities.....no doubt an argument can be made that he had other fish to fry at the time, since an Islamist militia had taken control of Southern Caucasus territory of Chechnya and declaring it an Islamic republic.

Nevertheless, after that expensive bridge went across the strait, I fail to see what motive there would be for Russia to want to instigate a conflict here this year after years of relative quiet....even after the 2014 Coup. So, I'm back to Poroshenko and his upcoming election that he doesn't want and would end with his loss of power and possible convictions for fraud.

As well, the US...even under so called Russian stooge - Trump, is ramping up arms supplies to Ukraine (virtually the only economic aid offered), and if there's a story coming up in the news that Trump has authorized sales( gifts) of new ships, missiles and naval hardware for the Ukrainian Navy....that's where my suspicions will go!
 
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It's not my fault that you jumped in on the wrong side of this issue early on five years ago! As soon as I heard the recording of Victoria Nuland declaring that the US has already 5 billion in reforming and revitalizing Ukraine right at the beginning of the so called "Orange Revolution," that was a clear indicator that this was just one more CIA-managed color revolution as happened prior in Georgia, Tunisia and Libya.

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As long as you maintain that the Maidan revolution was not a popular revolution for the reasons I've detailed for you too many times, we have nothing further to discuss. You're wrong. Your error skews your reasoning.