Another old white Southern male.

Sep 2019
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I don't think I've been here before, but maybe I was some years ago.
As the title says, I'm an old Southern-born white male. Not much more to say than that, except that I always try to test my beliefs against the criterion, "What evidence would make me change my mind?". I think liberals would say I'm a conservative, which is how I think of myself, although there are definitely some conservatives who say I'm a liberal. Perhaps the best summary of my beliefs is that I'm a 1960 JFK/FDR liberal. I read a lot, which may be relevant.
I don't take much pleasure -- or don't think I should take much pleasure -- in putting other people down ... if we disagree on something, I'd rather convince you to change your mind, or at least start you on the road to being convinced. And in return I promise to pay attention to your arguments, knowing that I have been wrong in past and have changed my mind on this or that, and it could certainly happen again.
 

RNG

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I, an old white northern male welcome you. We enjoy varied positions presented with basis in fact. And sometimes we actually get that.
 
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I don't think I've been here before, but maybe I was some years ago.
As the title says, I'm an old Southern-born white male. Not much more to say than that, except that I always try to test my beliefs against the criterion, "What evidence would make me change my mind?". I think liberals would say I'm a conservative, which is how I think of myself, although there are definitely some conservatives who say I'm a liberal. Perhaps the best summary of my beliefs is that I'm a 1960 JFK/FDR liberal. I read a lot, which may be relevant.
I don't take much pleasure -- or don't think I should take much pleasure -- in putting other people down ... if we disagree on something, I'd rather convince you to change your mind, or at least start you on the road to being convinced. And in return I promise to pay attention to your arguments, knowing that I have been wrong in past and have changed my mind on this or that, and it could certainly happen again.
Welcome. I'm a young white male and lean left on most issues, but I'd like to consider myself a realist.
I'm an atheist and a question I get, similar to your philosophy, is "What would convince you that god is real?" My general response to this and most questions is I don't know what would convince me, but I need to see the evidence before I'll believe.

I'm with you. I don't really see the point is trying to make others feel stupid. I'd rather explain what and why I believe and ask others to explain the same.
 
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imaginethat

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I'm an old, white, Rocky Mountain transplant who's been labeled a liberal, conservative, socialist, communist, and a fool, not necessarily in that order......

Welcome! :)
 
Sep 2019
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Welcome. I'm a young white male and lean left on most issues, but I'd like to consider myself a realist.
I'm an atheist and a question I get, similar to your philosophy, is "What would convince you that god is real?" My general response to this and most questions is I don't know what would convince me, but I need to see the evidence before I'll believe.

I'm with you. I don't really see the point is trying to make others feel stupid. I'd rather explain what and why I believe and ask others to explain the same.
Good. That's how all of us should try to think. Of course, it's just an ideal, and no doubt no one can completely live up to it, but we should try.
 
Sep 2019
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I'm an old, white, Rocky Mountain transplant who's been labeled a liberal, conservative, socialist, communist, and a fool, not necessarily in that order......

Welcome! :)
Ha! I'm exactly the same, except for the Rocky Mountain part ... although I have spent a couple of really nice summers (a month) in Boulder, my favorite American town. (Although, for the 'socialist' and 'communist' parts, I actually was one for a couple of decades, back in the sixties, seventies and into the eighties. And I have retained some of the things I learned as a serious Marxist, with respect to trying to understand society.)
 
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Sep 2019
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I, an old white northern male welcome you. We enjoy varied positions presented with basis in fact. And sometimes we actually get that.
This place is full of old white males! I guess the young'uns are too busy enjoying life to get onto forums and insult each other. The lucky devils.
 
Sep 2019
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I am a hot young blonde girl out to conquer the world by preying on old white men.
Well, Marcus, with a name yours -- although I am surprised to find that this famous tribune of the people was a hot young blonde girl! -- , you're probably familar with what Sophocles said (according to Plato, in The Republic):
For instance, I remember someone asking Sophocles, the poet, whether he was still capable of enjoying a woman. ‘Don’t talk in that way,’ he answered; ‘I am only too glad to be free of all that; it is like escaping from bondage to a raging madman.’ I thought that a good answer at the time, and I still think so; for certainly a great peace comes when age sets us free from passions of that sort.
Other translations have described this master from which old men escape as 'cruel and insane', and I suspect all males here can testify that this about sums it up. Sadly, I'm still in bondage to this master, so clearly am not yet old enough to be liberated -- but I am old enough not fall prey to internet 'hot young blondes' although they bombard the Spam folder in my email almost daily. So you'll want to leave me in peace, but ... I do know a guy in Washington DC who might prove to be susceptible to your charms.
 
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