Are Humans Fundamentally Compassionate or Selfish

Dec 2018
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There are two thought experiments that leads you to believe two different answers.

1. The Trolley Problem. Yes I've already discussed this but in sum, a train is running down the track towards five workers and you have the ability to pull a lever which will divert the train to a side track with one worker. Would you pull the lever saving five lives but killing one? Or, say a train is going down a track towards five workers and you're standing with a man next to the track. Would you push the man in front of the train saving the five lives but killing one? Many say they will save the five lives in the first scenario but not in the second. Philosophers posture this is because the value of life in general is dependent on the impact it has on the individual's life. IE I'll pull the lever which kills one life but I won't push a man in front of a train because the guilt and mental harm it causes impacts my decisions. This argues that humans are selfish.

2. The Child at the Well Problem. You're walking through the park and you see a young child crawling around the rim of a well. How do you respond? Do you continue walking or do you run to try and save the child? Most people say they run to try and save the child and do so without thought. They do this with no additional information. They don't know if they'll be rewarded for their action. They don't know who the child will grow up to be. They don't even know how deep the well is and if it could potentially cause harm. They simply react to the perceived threat to another life. This argues that humans are compassionate.

So what say you?
 
Apr 2013
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#2
As with so many other discussions of this type, there is no single answer. There are trends maybe, but any particular individual may react to the same stimulus in different ways depending on a vast range of conditions.
 
Dec 2015
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We have no idea what we will do in any given situation. SURE! Most of us like to think of ourselves as heroes who would do the right thing--in the moment--but would we? When the chips are down?

Humans are selfish *SELFISH* individuals. Just read a few DTT posts. It's all about "ME". "MY". Number ONE. "I".
Why do you suppose there are so many children in foster care? Selfishness.
Fraud? Cheating? Adultery? Theft? Addiction? Rape? Abuse? Neglect?
Just about every single problem we have in this country BEGINS WITH selfishness. I include myself in the mix.
AND there is SOME validity in selfishness--depending on the situation.

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Dec 2018
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I think there's little doubt that humans, as a group, are first and foremost self-interested. Even acts of charity can be viewed in this way based on the feeling of satisfaction felt by the giver.

And while a bit of an aside, this is why capitalist systems tend to work better than collectivist ones. Markets work with human nature, not against it.
 
Feb 2019
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here and there
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I think there's little doubt that humans, as a group, are first and foremost self-interested. Even acts of charity can be viewed in this way based on the feeling of satisfaction felt by the giver.

And while a bit of an aside, this is why capitalist systems tend to work better than collectivist ones. Markets work with human nature, not against it.
Agreed.

The Left is nothing more than preaching that coveting is good. Take from the rich and give to me!!!

This is why the Left has no problem with illegals coming to the US to take low wage jobs, cuz they don't want them.

However, watch higher paying jobs go over seas and they have a cow and want those jobs back.

Either way, foreigners are getting those jobs, so it shows that the Left could really care less about their plight.

It's all based upon self interest
 
Dec 2014
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I think there's little doubt that humans, as a group, are first and foremost self-interested. Even acts of charity can be viewed in this way based on the feeling of satisfaction felt by the giver.

And while a bit of an aside, this is why capitalist systems tend to work better than collectivist ones. Markets work with human nature, not against it.
Capitalism must be carefully regulated.
 
Dec 2014
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Memphis, Tn.
#9
That is because you are old. Sorry. We dont want to pay to keep you alive.
Seriousl? You are THAT obtuse?
You don't consider it to be a National Security issue when as many as 80% of military recruits are turned down for health/ lack of fitness reasons? And those are younf men and women.