Are there any positions you have that buck the narrative

Apr 2013
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#21
It also delves into the argument if monogamy is beneficial. I say this as a straight married man who loves his wife and has no desire to be with another woman (gotta put that out there in case she stumbles across this :)). But is there an argument to be made that if prostitution were made legal, men and women would slowly feel less shame about wanting to have sex with others and it could BENEFIT the relationship. I believe I saw an article that divorces went DOWN in Holland after the legalization of prostitution (too lazy to fact check myself right now).

It's an interesting topic of debate. I could be swayed either way honestly.
I don't think it would be beneficial to the majority of marriages if one spouse found out the other was utilizing the product. But this is assuming things are as they are today, or more accurately as I think they are today. Who knows if my concept about the inherent tendency of people to be jealous is accurate.

But two things. How much more would a guy with a roving eye be willing to access the service compared to him just horning around either enthusiastic amateurs or professionals if this came to pass?

And is the crime surrounding the current prostitution activity worse or less bad than some hypothetical increase of marriage breakdown due to increased nefarious poontang?
 
Nov 2012
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#22
1. Thank you for not addressing the question of the OP
2. My father in law is a union plumber/welder. Two of my best friends are teachers. They don't all agree with me, but they don't counter my arguments with "It is people like you...". They recognize that, you know, it's kind of a poor way to forward a conversation
The people like you comment comes from the constant drumbeat of anti union sentiment that is heard and read ad naseum by union electricians and other trades. These guys work as long and hard as anyone and are trained as well as anyone. But that’s not the point. Collective bargaining is as American as the flag, and many people before me sacrificed a lot to not be taken advantage of by companies who had no problem putting 10 year olds in factories. Forced long hours with no overtime, and no benefits.

The next time you use your company provided health insurance, take your vacation, and take off one off your paid holidays throughout the year, Labor Day being one of them. Thank the unions for that because that’s who bargained for it, and in many cases died for it.
 
Dec 2018
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#23
I don't think it would be beneficial to the majority of marriages if one spouse found out the other was utilizing the product.
This raises another question. If it were true that legalization of prostitution would result in 1. A continued decrease in the marriage rate, and 2. a continued increase in the divorce rate? I tend to think 1 is actually a good thing because the world is overpopulated as it is, but 2 is a problem because it increases the number of kids being raised in a single-parent household (single parents absolutely CAN raise children, but statistically I just think kids have more advantages when there are more adults in the room... oh god SJWs are going to be all over me for that one)

So yea I'm torn on the topic.
 
Dec 2018
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The people like you comment comes from the constant drumbeat of anti union sentiment that is heard and read ad naseum by union electricians and other trades. These guys work as long and hard as anyone and are trained as well as anyone. But that’s not the point. Collective bargaining is as American as the flag, and many people before me sacrificed a lot to not be taken advantage of by companies who had no problem putting 10 year olds in factories. Forced long hours with no overtime, and no benefits.

The next time you use your company provided health insurance, take your vacation, and take off one off your paid holidays throughout the year, Labor Day being one of them. Thank the unions for that because that’s who bargained for it, and in many cases died for it.
Perhaps I should clarify my position. This is not me saying unions don't do good things or have never done good things. That would be obviously obtuse. I live in Wisconsin and believe me I see what happens when collective bargaining rights are removed.

That being said, the position of unions is to fight for workers at all cost, no matter what. Unfortunately, those fights can go too far. For example, I grew up in the Madison area and several teachers in the district were busted viewing and sharing pornography using school emails on school computers during school hours. Were they fired? No. Did they have their licenses removed? No. Because they were tenured and the teachers union fought it tooth and nail. That's completely unfair.

Now I recognize organizations do things that are completely unfair to employees as well. But I'm not a fan of when two sides are fighting for their side and have no desire to find the truth in the middle. These teachers and the minority of subpar union workers across the country should be judged by their performance just like everyone. If we are only as strong as our weakest link, unions have created a system where those weak links can stick around longer than they should.

I hope that clears things up
 
Apr 2013
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This raises another question. If it were true that legalization of prostitution would result in 1. A continued decrease in the marriage rate, and 2. a continued increase in the divorce rate? I tend to think 1 is actually a good thing because the world is overpopulated as it is, but 2 is a problem because it increases the number of kids being raised in a single-parent household (single parents absolutely CAN raise children, but statistically I just think kids have more advantages when there are more adults in the room... oh god SJWs are going to be all over me for that one)

So yea I'm torn on the topic.
I'm not. I'm not saying it is all rainbows and unicorns but it is, IMO the greater good. Plus, I think the downsides are easier to control and/or mitigate.
 
Apr 2015
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No. Up until about 4 years ago I agreed with much of what then was the Libertarian Party of the US or whatever it's official name was. But since then it has morphed away from that to where it is too extreme about government out of everything.

I think we need government regulations of a lot of things.
Indeed, like Communism a lot of Libertarian theories sound good until you look more closely at what they would lead too.
 
Mar 2013
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#27
Indeed, like Communism a lot of Libertarian theories sound good until you look more closely at what they would lead too.
If you want to see what libertarianism would lead to, look no further than the early industrial age. Late 1800s into the early 1900s. Look at working conditions and pay scales.
 
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Dec 2015
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#28
Tenure is one of the most misunderstood union concepts so let's get the facts v myths straight.
1) It IS possible to fire a tenured teacher. Tenure is not a lifetime job guarantee. Tenured teachers are guaranteed due process--that's it.
2) Tenure is not unique to the teacher profession. State, county and municipal workers, including police officers and firefighters, as well as many workers in the private sector, also have this type of due process right.
3)Tenure must be earned. There are probationary periods--usually 3 years-- and requirements which include certification and professional development classes. Many teachers don't make it through the probation period. Written evaluations/observations by administrators are required 1-2 times per year and go into the teacher's permanent file.
4) Tenure is a safeguard that lets good teachers speak out for their students without fear of reprisal. It is a safeguard that protects good teachers from unfair firing. Without tenure, teachers could and would be fired for virtually any reason, including personality conflicts and/or disagreements with admin. Teachers who are union members are more often at risk. Most administrators do NOT like unions even though they were (more than likely) members of a teacher's union at one time and may be current members of the AFSA (American Federation of School Administrators).
5) As with any process, there are exceptions. Some "bad" teachers have slipped through the system and some strong unions have protected them. These ARE exceptions--not the rule.
 
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