Can We Just Get Rid of Identity Politics?

Nov 2005
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#92
7000 instances of right wing violence in the states in 2017 alone!!!!
Is that what I said?
No.
Learn some reading comprehension.


Wow, i wonder why you didn't just post that specific evidence in that thread, much less one single example.
Huh.
I have posted that in actually relevant threads to help demonstrate that you fixating on a handful of hoax hate crimes does not prove anything about the overall situation.


I love that very fine people quote and how you guys use it... it just further exposes your dishonesty.
You claim I said something I never did, and then you claim I am the dishonest one???
:rolleyes:
Read what I actually wrote.


Please continue to push this identity politics agenda.
As I have pointed out in other threads, you push identity politics yourself.

One thing I find amusing is why the right won't acknowledge TRUMP HIMSELF pushes identity politics.
Attacking blacks. Attacking Mexicans. Attacking women.
Pushing hate and insults towards a group is just as much "identity politics" as defending those groups from such attacks (if not more...)


People like you do more for libertarians and classical liberalism than anyone on the so called right could possibly dream of.
Keep up the good work.
Puh-leaze!
One of the things people like you will need to wrap your head around is the difference between:
a) People who are looking for an excuse to continue believing what they want to believe, and
b) People who are persuaded to change their belief based on actual evidence.

Your posting is habitually to group a).
No change in group b) :rolleyes:


KGB agent on useful idiots, feminists and leftists
Geez.
This guy died in 1993 and you accuse me of using outdated information?
Plus, isn't it amazing how today many "allies" of the right want to utilize the communist statements to their advantage?
:rolleyes:
 
Nov 2005
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#93
In American politics, the Southern Strategy refers to a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party.[4] It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
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The perception that the Republican Party had served as the "vehicle of white supremacy in the South", particularly during the Goldwater campaign and the presidential elections of 1968 and 1972, made it difficult for the Republican Party to win back the support of black voters in the South in later years.[4] In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.[13][14]
Southern strategy - Wikipedia

A) Can we acknowledge that the Southern Strategy is just as much "Identity Politics" as other approaches?

B) The Republican party is still utilizing this approach.

C) Furthermore, while I think there are some renowned identity politics peddlers out there, I think we need to distinguish between:
  1. Identity politics (e.g. some race politics) where racial issues are artificially inserted into situations where they don't belong, and
  2. Situations where racial inequality exists in government and it shouldn't.
I personally agree that item #1 needs to be knocked off.
Item #2? Needs to be addressed and resolved.

Of course there will be conflicting opinions as to what falls into category #1 and what falls into category #2. But I think such matters can be examined factually to help demonstrate the validity of the assessment.
 
Dec 2018
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#94
It’s effective because ppl are stupid
No, it's effective because we have instinctive affinities to familiar groups and an aversion to those we see as different. It's a survival instinct honed over millions of years or human development and that a few thousand years of modernity have not managed to scrub from our DNA (and likely never will).
 
Jan 2015
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#95
No, it's effective because we have instinctive affinities to familiar groups and an aversion to those we see as different. It's a survival instinct honed over millions of years or human development and that a few thousand years of modernity have not managed to scrub from our DNA (and likely never will).
You didn’t refute anything I said. Ppl believe in these things because they don’t know any better. So they’ll always be misled and misguided by false prophets and demagogues.
 
Apr 2014
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#96
All of this racial/sexual/national/etc division helps no one. It's led to violence and has made society in general more toxic. I for one am tired of hating people and being hated; I want to be able to love people. It's exhausting. It's also irresponsible: Prejudice is just a projection of one's own personal problems on others, instead of dealing with those problems yourself. Countless societies have been destroyed and torn asunder due to this obsession with identity and worship of victimhood. Why do some people want this? Try to love people, love everyone you meet. Regardless of if you disagree with them or not. I know how difficult that is for me, so I can only wonder how difficult it is for others. We must not let toxic people and toxic ideologies destroy our society.
A nice idea but it's like telling older men not to wear black socks with sandals: it will fall on deaf ears. People will do what they want, usually as a herd. In this case, the herd is moving toward identity politics.
 
Sep 2015
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#98
When the leftists went insane.

They have become openly authoritarian socialists. That is by far more of a threat to personal liberty than fundamental Christians ever could be.


I have not changed. What is considered "the left" has.




LOL

dude, if you were as honestly non-partisan as you claim to be you would say when both went insane.....

i would go back to my original point, but its pretty obvious....
 
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Dec 2013
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#99
LOL

dude, if you were as honestly non-partisan as you claim to be you would say when both went insane.....

i would go back to my original point, but its pretty obvious....
I have never claimed to be non-partisan and i have been extremely critical of republicans and the religious right most of my life. I never imagined that i would have more in common with them than the American democrats but here we are.
 
Dec 2018
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You didn’t refute anything I said. Ppl believe in these things because they don’t know any better. So they’ll always be misled and misguided by false prophets and demagogues.
Considering perfectly intelligent people are susceptible to this I think we can safely say more than just stupidity is involved. There is such a thing as instinctive behavior, and identity politics plays on that.
 

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