Can We Just Get Rid of Identity Politics?

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#81
Doesn't make it any less stupid.



How about when the right does it?
How "stupid" is it if it's effective, and it certainly is? The question is less why do politicians play that car, that's obvious; it works. The real question is why do we keep falling for it?

And no, It's no more correct than when the right does it, and the GOP hasn't been shy about us-v-them messages in the past, but over the last decade or so they can't hold a candle to what the left is doing with it's identity-is-everything brand of politics. It's as tribal as one can get.
 
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#82
Yeah, just think if you were to get punched in the face for expressing your opinion in public or something.



oh wait.... leftists have been doing that to people for the better part of two years now.


I lament for the days when the crazy fundamentalists were the biggest threat to liberty in this nation at least you could reason w/ them.
i do live in a reality where that is a very big possibility. there are violent extremists all over Sabs. when did you become such a hard core RWer? i thought your schtick was to pretend to be out of that game....
 
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#83
How "stupid" is it if it's effective, and it certainly is? The question is less why do politicians play that car, that's obvious; it works. The real question is why do we keep falling for it?

And no, It's no more correct than when the right does it, and the GOP hasn't been shy about us-v-them messages in the past, but over the last decade or so they can't hold a candle to what the left is doing with it's identity-is-everything brand of politics. It's as tribal as one can get.
It’s effective because ppl are stupid
 
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#84
i do live in a reality where that is a very big possibility. there are violent extremists all over Sabs. when did you become such a hard core RWer? i thought your schtick was to pretend to be out of that game....

When the leftists went insane.

They have become openly authoritarian socialists. That is by far more of a threat to personal liberty than fundamental Christians ever could be.


I have not changed. What is considered "the left" has.




 
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When the leftists went insane.
They have become openly authoritarian socialists. That is by far more of a threat to personal liberty than fundamental Christians ever could be.
And yet, I have shown to you repeatedly that violence from extremist right-wingers is the biggest threat in this country...
But you don't want to acknowledge that. :rolleyes:
Facts are not convenient for you as you spout your "opinion" as if it were a fact... :zany:

One of the amusing things about your claim IS YOUR OWN AUTHORITARIAN dictates which would remove capabilities of businesses like Youtube or Twitter to stop working with slanderers like Alex Jones. You have repeatedly talked about requiring that they not be able to exclude him for valid business reasons.
 
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And yet, I have shown to you repeatedly that violence from extremist right-wingers is the biggest threat in this country...
But you don't want to acknowledge that. :rolleyes:
Facts are not convenient for you as you spout your "opinion" as if it were a fact... :zany:

No you have not. You do not have any current analytics to support this narrative. This extreme shift is only in the last few years. This is what is important IMO. One can make statistics say anything that they want by using specific data points. This is why the new american left must falsify so called "hate crimes" the demand is greater than the supply. Whereas leftist violence is consistently going up and being downplayed.

It is dishonest.
 
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No you have not. You do not have any current analytics to support this narrative. This extreme shift is only in the last few years.
No on all accounts.
I have posted the analytics REPEATEDLY. You have avoided them repeatedly.
The studies I quote span a time-frame of several years.


This is what is important IMO. One can make statistics say anything that they want by using specific data points.
This is a popular claim of those who want to ignore the facts, but it is stopped in its tracks by one simple counter-challenge.
If you truly believe that the statistics can be altered to achieve any conclusion, THEN SHOW ANY STUDY WHICH SUPPORTS AN ASSESSMENT THAT THE LEFT IS THE BIGGER THREAT IN TERRORISM / EXTREMIST VIOLENCE.

You can't do it. Because your claim is a meaningless obfuscation foil.


This is why the new american left must falsify so called "hate crimes" the demand is greater than the supply. Whereas leftist violence is consistently going up and being downplayed.
It is dishonest.
Your assessment is dishonest.
You (and others) habitually cherry-pick individual examples to ignore the broader problem at work.
You guys show a handful of examples to ignore hundreds and thousands of hate crime examples.
That is lunacy.
Incidents and Offenses
In 2017, there were over 7,000 single bias offenses recorded.
You foolishly think that posting a few individual hoax examples somehow proves those 7,000 are fake?
Or are you just hoping that if you scream enough about your hoax examples, somebody will forget that there are over 7,000 REAL examples?
:rolleyes:


One of the amusing things about your claim IS YOUR OWN AUTHORITARIAN dictates which would remove capabilities of businesses like Youtube or Twitter to stop working with slanderers like Alex Jones. You have repeatedly talked about requiring that they not be able to exclude him for valid business reasons.
Don't think it's not noticed that you cowardly avoided talking about the above example of YOUR authoritarian mindset...
 
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No on all accounts.
I have posted the analytics REPEATEDLY. You have avoided them repeatedly.
The studies I quote span a time-frame of several years.



This is a popular claim of those who want to ignore the facts, but it is stopped in its tracks by one simple counter-challenge.
If you truly believe that the statistics can be altered to achieve any conclusion, THEN SHOW ANY STUDY WHICH SUPPORTS AN ASSESSMENT THAT THE LEFT IS THE BIGGER THREAT IN TERRORISM / EXTREMIST VIOLENCE.

You can't do it. Because your claim is a meaningless obfuscation foil.



Your assessment is dishonest.
You (and others) habitually cherry-pick individual examples to ignore the broader problem at work.
You guys show a handful of examples to ignore hundreds and thousands of hate crime examples.
That is lunacy.
Incidents and Offenses
In 2017, there were over 7,000 single bias offenses recorded.
You foolishly think that posting a few individual hoax examples somehow proves those 7,000 are fake?
Or are you just hoping that if you scream enough about your hoax examples, somebody will forget that there are over 7,000 REAL examples?
:rolleyes:



Don't think it's not noticed that you cowardly avoided talking about the above example of YOUR authoritarian mindset...


As i said your "studies" are over "several years"

This is not an example of the current political climate.

You call consistent violence by the left as ancidotal yet your premise requires the dishonesty of "going back several years" we do not even have to examine the data itself. The timeline is enough. But this narrative is what you want to make you feel good, i could give a shit less.

I started a thread some time ago to give you and the rest of the leftists the opportunity to provide examples of this current so called "right wing violence" none of you could do it because it is not a real problem. This is why you people must manufacture fake "hate crimes" then you fall back on one of two studies that supports your claim.... then you go to Charlottesville which was obviously violence started by leftists and nazis.

But go ahead. Nobody believes you guys anymore. You have overplayed your hand. You have been exposed.



Here ya go sweetie



Are there examples of "right wing violence" in todays political climate?
 
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As i said your "studies" are over "several years"
This is not an example of the current political climate.
There are plenty of current articles showing the right-wing violence has increased in recent years.


You call consistent violence by the left as ancidotal ...
No.
I label you pointing out isolated examples as "anecdotal".


... yet your premise requires the dishonesty of "going back several years" we do not even have to examine the data itself.
This is another of your bad lies.
I have pointed out to you repeatedly the data is present in the study.
You refused to read.


The timeline is enough. But this narrative is what you want to make you feel good, i could give a shit less.
Likewise, I could give a flying crap about your refusal to acknowledge what is going on.
I will, however, point it out to others.


I started a thread some time ago to give you and the rest of the leftists the opportunity to provide examples of this current so called "right wing violence" none of you could do it because it is not a real problem. This is why you people must manufacture fake "hate crimes" then you fall back on one of two studies that supports your claim....
Again, you lie pathetically!
Incidents and Offenses
In 2017, there were over 7,000 single bias offenses recorded.
You foolishly think that posting a few individual hoax examples somehow proves those 7,000 are fake?
Or are you just hoping that if you scream enough about your hoax examples, somebody will forget that there are over 7,000 REAL examples?
:rolleyes:

This is a YEARLY recurring summary.


then you go to Charlottesville which was obviously violence started by leftists and nazis.
Funny how you label that as "leftists and nazis". Trump claimed they were "very fine people" => acknowledging them as his own...


But go ahead. Nobody believes you guys anymore. You have overplayed your hand. You have been exposed.
ROFLMAO!
Puh-LEAZE!
You are not a plural.
You pointing out to a handful of isolated examples of faking does not discount seven thousand plus examples of hate crimes.


I already addressed your thread. :rolleyes:
 
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There are plenty of current articles showing the right-wing violence has increased in recent years.



No.
I label you pointing out isolated examples as "anecdotal".



This is another of your bad lies.
I have pointed out to you repeatedly the data is present in the study.
You refused to read.



Likewise, I could give a flying crap about your refusal to acknowledge what is going on.
I will, however, point it out to others.



Again, you lie pathetically!
Incidents and Offenses
In 2017, there were over 7,000 single bias offenses recorded.
You foolishly think that posting a few individual hoax examples somehow proves those 7,000 are fake?
Or are you just hoping that if you scream enough about your hoax examples, somebody will forget that there are over 7,000 REAL examples?
:rolleyes:

This is a YEARLY recurring summary.



Funny how you label that as "leftists and nazis". Trump claimed they were "very fine people" => acknowledging them as his own...



ROFLMAO!
Puh-LEAZE!
You are not a plural.
You pointing out to a handful of isolated examples of faking does not discount seven thousand plus examples of hate crimes.



I already addressed your thread. :rolleyes:
7000 instances of right wing violence in the states in 2017 alone!!!!

Wow, i wonder why you didn't just post that specific evidence in that thread, much less one single example.

Huh.

I love that very fine people quote and how you guys use it... it just further exposes your dishonesty.

Please continue to push this identity politics agenda.

People like you do more for libertarians and classical liberalism than anyone on the so called right could possibly dream of.

Keep up the good work.
 

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