capitalism vs. socialism

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The above video is a good one explaining what is and is not socialism. Most point to Northern Europe as evidence of the greatness of socialism, but the only problem is, they are not socialist. To be socialist, the government runs industry and in Northern Europe, that is not the case.

No, true socialism are places like Venezuela and North Korea, truly hellish places of existence.
 
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The above video is a good one explaining what is and is not socialism. Most point to Northern Europe as evidence of the greatness of socialism, but the only problem is, they are not socialist. To be socialist, the government runs industry and in Northern Europe, that is not the case.

No, true socialism are places like Venezuela and North Korea, truly hellish places of existence.
Well, I guess thank you. For years stupid RWs who were taught that socialism is a dirty word have bitched about socialist Europe and socialist Canada and socialist UK and especially socialist Scandinavian countries.

But when metric after metric after metric kept showing how good those socialist countries had it, they all of a sudden stopped being socialist.

Now it's Venezuela and N. Korea. BTW, why not China? Enquiring minds want to know.

But, as I have argued many times in threads before you joined DTT, the problems with those two countries isn't socialism, it's stupidity of its rulers.

More importantly, how twisted is your awareness of the world around you to in any way think what Sanders or AOC support is related to the situations in Venezuela or N. Korea. That Trump thinks so is understandable for that stable genius with the shoe-size IQ, but please, just try using your brain.
 
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Well, I guess thank you. For years stupid RWs who were taught that socialism is a dirty word have bitched about socialist Europe and socialist Canada and socialist UK and especially socialist Scandinavian countries.

But when metric after metric after metric kept showing how good those socialist countries had it, they all of a sudden stopped being socialist.

Now it's Venezuela and N. Korea. BTW, why not China? Enquiring minds want to know.

But, as I have argued many times in threads before you joined DTT, the problems with those two countries isn't socialism, it's stupidity of its rulers.

More importantly, how twisted is your awareness of the world around you to in any way think what Sanders or AOC support is related to the situations in Venezuela or N. Korea. That Trump thinks so is understandable for that stable genius with the shoe-size IQ, but please, just try using your brain.
Actually, communism about made China go bankrupt, but then they turned to capitalism

Is China Communist or Capitalist? Perhaps Neither

Capitalism is to be credited for China being transformed into one of the greatest economies in the world

They laid ideology aside in order to gain world power and influence.

As for Europe, they still lean farther left than the US, which accounts for their slower economy. Fortunately for them, they don't have to spend all their money on the military because the US protects them

But if the US were to keep drifting further left, China will take over as the world's predominant power in the world.
 
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No, true socialism are places like Venezuela and North Korea, truly hellish places of existence.
Question ?? Absent the sanctions from the US and other countries, would those places be quite so hellish ?? Let's look at Venezuela. The number one driver of their economy was oil. Now yes there were already issues. Failure to continue investing in the equipment needed to keep up production, and good old corruption that skimmed the profits. But their economy didn't collapse until after we, the U.S., first embargoed their financing, keeping banks form loaning them money to invest in and repair their oil production. Then WE, the biggest buyer of their oil, simply cut them off !! We embargoed their oil. So who's actually to blame ? Socialism ?? Or OUR reaction to their socialism ?? How long has NK been under near worldwide sanctions ?? What about Cuba ? Wouldn't we have been far better off, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to have treated them like Japan or Germany ?
 
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
John Kenneth Galbraith was a liar.

Conservatives tend to be religious and if you look at the statistics, those who practice their faith give far more of the time and money to the poor.

https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Religious-Americans-Give-More/153973

Conversely, Leftists tend to be atheists and spend all their time and money trying to get people elected who will force them to give more of their money to the poor. For the secularist, politics is their religion and they are looking to elect their messiah leader.

Unfortunately, the money they give them, only about 9 cents on the dollar goes to those in need, a very inefficient use of money.
 
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The above video is a good one explaining what is and is not socialism. Most point to Northern Europe as evidence of the greatness of socialism, but the only problem is, they are not socialist. To be socialist, the government runs industry and in Northern Europe, that is not the case.

No, true socialism are places like Venezuela and North Korea, truly hellish places of existence.
So, when do you plan to show some of this "intelligence?" Venezuela has been under economic siege since Bush 2's failed coup d'etat failed while he was just getting his feet wet in Washington, and the regime change war has taken on absurdly evil proportions now that Trump is in the White House, revives the career of the author of the Iraq War Disaster - John Bolton...who even has the gall to declare that Venezuela...like everywhere else in Latin America is part of "America's backyard!" I knew that's what most US leaders and policymakers have always believed....I just thought it was something they don't say out loud before! And if you're putting Bolton in down there, why not bring back the pardoned war criminal - Elliot Abrams...who was offended a few weeks ago that Ilhan Omar was the only member in the House willing to step up and confront him about his crimes committed during his service under previous presidents. But, you think Venezuela is the problem?

Much the same with North Korea. Any nation under siege by powerful enemies who aren't willing to bring official wars to an end, doesn't have the luxury to just forego military spending and has to do what it can to develop a potential to make itself a poison pill for the world power to try to swallow! No better way to do that than start a nuclear program and start making missile delivery systems.

Turn off the wars, the threat of war and regime change, the sanctions and blockades, and maybe things can be normalized. But, that's where we have to start examining why capitalism and capitalist systems cannot live peacefully with other capitalist nations/let alone with socialists who want to try to end capitalism. 80 years ago, the exiled Soviet military leader and renegade Marxist theoretician- Leon Trotsky, declared that communism and socialism cannot exist as an island in a sea of capitalism. Now that the world has become more crowded and desperate for essential resources to keep commerce and industry moving, he seems to be right on that point!