Capitalism's hidden feudal caste system

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• Unemployment has dropped from 14.5% of the total labour force in 1999 to 7.6% in 2009​
• Population has increased from 23,867,000 in 1999 to 29,278,000 in 2011. The annual population growth was 1.5% in 2011 compared with 1.9% in 1999​
• GDP per capita has risen from $4,105 to $10,801 in 2011​
• As you can see in the graphic chart, Venezuela's inflation has fluctuated since 1999. Inflation now stands at 31.6% compared with 23.6% in 1999​
• Venezuela has a complicated history concerning currency exchange rates. Compared with 1999 when the exchange rate was under one bolivar to the US dollar, the latest figures from Reuters place it at 4.3 Bolivars to one dollar​
• Poverty has decreased - in 1999, 23.4% of the population were recorded as being in extreme poverty, this fell to 8.5% in 2011 according to official government figures​
• Infant mortality is now lower than in 1999 - from a rate of 20 per 1,000 live births then to a rate of 13 per 1,000 live births in 2011​
• Violence has been a key concern in Venezuela for some time - figures from the UNODC state that the murder rate has risen since 1999. In 2011 the intentional homicide rate per 100,000 population was 45.1 compared with 25.0 just twelve years earlier​
• Oil exports have boomed - Venezuela has one of the top proven oil reserves in the world and in 2011 Opec put the country's net oil export revenues at $60bn. In 1999 it stood at $14.4bn​

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/oct/04/venezuela-hugo-chavez-election-data

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And once again, Chavez did not set up a real socialist economic system. Interesting factoid I came across in past discussions is that Norway's very successful oil-based social democratic system has less private ownership of their economy than Venezuela does! The difference is that the US cannot sanction or regime change Norway.......not yet at least!

It's actually been under Maduro, when real socialistic solutions are being introduced and applied: especially the creation and implementation of Collectivos to run local agriculture that had largely disappeared under the cheap imports of oil export-based economics. In the past few years, because of increasingly ruthless sanctions which include cutting off medical supplies which the UNHCR declares has caused the deaths of 44000 Venezuelans already, more and more Venezuelans are going back to the land and growing their own food, like they did in the old days.
Except look at it today. The poverty is so high that the Red Cross is trying to send in food. Stores are empty. There is mass movement to Columbia, several months ago it was estimated at 3 million with thousands more leaving each day.

Right now the country is about as total a mess as can be. All thanks to Maduro's continuations of Chavez' stupid policies.
 
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I just told you why that's not true. Socialism is about collective/public ownership not state ownership. Marx believed that a state would be necessary to implement socialism but he never intended for the state to be permanent. Unfortunately, that creates the perfect excuse for totalitarians to create their fascist state under the pretense of reaching communism which they don't intend to even do.
Democratic Socialism is exactly that. Its collective ownership, that is controlled by a democratic vote. It is in essence a co-op. In order to get their you have to seize private and stock ownership, destroying retirements plans along the way. There is some weird notion that doing away with profit will be better. It wont. Your paycheck is profit
 
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Then why do they refer to themselves as Democratic Socialists? Because you can not just wake up one day and announce to the world you changed the defintion of something so you can say that is what you are.

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

That sums it up. Its a form of mandated co-ops.
That may be what some person thinks it is. Many people call most European countries Democratic Socialisms. None of them, not even what used to be the ultimate target of RW fanatics, the Scandinavian countries have government ownership of business.

It's funny how as the Scandinavian countries kept eclipsing the US in most quality of life categories, all of a sudden, with no change in their government systems, they stopped being socialistic.
 
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That may be what some person thinks it is. Many people call most European countries Democratic Socialisms. None of them, not even what used to be the ultimate target of RW fanatics, the Scandinavian countries have government ownership of business.

It's funny how as the Scandinavian countries kept eclipsing the US in most quality of life categories, all of a sudden, with no change in their government systems, they stopped being socialistic.
You are correct, ignorance of what something is in discussing Socialism is bountiful. The Nordic nations are definitely not Socialism. Just because of Social programs and high taxation, does not equal a Socialist economy or government.

Quality of life categories, not a good measure of anything in my opinion.
 
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There is a difference between collective ownership and the state running tax-funded social programs. There can be overlap, but it's not the same thing.

And just because Bernie calls himself a democratic socialist doesn't mean he is. He is technically a social democrat.
 
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Factbox: Venezuela's nationalizations under Chavez - Reuters

Chavez was the typical run of the mill Socialist dictator. To even attempt to build his policies up as something grandiose is quite honest beyond normal comprehension. He literally began seizing private owned and foreign owned businesses. That is not the mark of a great leader.
Reuters propaganda about nationalization doesn't negate the fact that private industry still functions there and as mentioned before, is larger than Norway's private sector. What Reuters or MSM won't talk about is America...since the Monroe Doctrine, has acted like an empire intent on controlling and managing all of Latin America for its own ends, and other nations in the South are going to revolt against this capitalist bullshit that gives foreign capitalists and a small, mostly white professional class all of the wealth and benefits.

Since it's already been noted in real journalism how the so called "Refugee Crisis" on your southern border is a product of regime change and creation of genocidal paramilitaries in Central America and Columbia, guess how many Venezuelans will be on your border in the coming years after Trumpenstein gets his wish to impose a Guiado regime on Venezuela, so his patrons - the Koch Brothers can get that Venezuelan heavy crude flowing back to their Texas refinery again. All the bullshit about "illegals" and stupid American rightwing tools never stop to ask why are so many women and children on the border to begin with!
 
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Reuters propaganda about nationalization doesn't negate the fact that private industry still functions there and as mentioned before, is larger than Norway's private sector. What Reuters or MSM won't talk about is America...since the Monroe Doctrine, has acted like an empire intent on controlling and managing all of Latin America for its own ends, and other nations in the South are going to revolt against this capitalist bullshit that gives foreign capitalists and a small, mostly white professional class all of the wealth and benefits.

Since it's already been noted in real journalism how the so called "Refugee Crisis" on your southern border is a product of regime change and creation of genocidal paramilitaries in Central America and Columbia, guess how many Venezuelans will be on your border in the coming years after Trumpenstein gets his wish to impose a Guiado regime on Venezuela, so his patrons - the Koch Brothers can get that Venezuelan heavy crude flowing back to their Texas refinery again. All the bullshit about "illegals" and stupid American rightwing tools never stop to ask why are so many women and children on the border to begin with!
well maybe if Chavez had not started seizing businesses operated by USA companies he would not have sanctions. He brought that on himself.

Furthermore, just because you do not agree with a certain group of facts, that does not make it propaganda.
 
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Citgo is not a US company, England had no right to sieze over a billion dollars worth of Venezuelan gold bullion in reserves, and together they've stolen over $11 billion from the Venezuelan Government and given a small sum of it to Guiado and his fake regime which is trying to claim the Venezuelan Embassy in Washington, against all international rules. Prepare to see American embassies treated similarly in the future by all of the foreign governments who've become enemies of the USA in recent years because of this breaking of international protocols. Anyway, it's getting late and the time has come now for me to "walkaway."