Case against Islam

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I've had enough of this "us versus them" crap. Thanks, Donald Trump. Thanks, GOP.
Why do Republicans hate Muslims or people with different lifestyles or people who have darker skin or people who are concerned about our planet, our schools, our healthcare? WHY? Anyone got an answer, cuz I sure don't.

Here are some ideas to consider, not that the RW will consider anything but hate, mistrust, and intolerance:
*If you're scared of Islam, you should be MORE terrified of Evangelical Christians.
*If you are a Republican the chances are 90% + that you have an anti-Muslim problem.
*If you feel the need to attack a religious community to win an election, you lack the intelligent ideas and American values to be worthy of a seat in office.
*Republicans SAY they stand for religious liberty but religious liberty does not exist when it's selectively applied.
*Prejudiced voters seem to have found a comfort zone in hateful messaging where Muslims are concerned.
*A Pew Research Center survey found, in 2017, that Republicans, white evangelicals, and those with less education are much MORE likely to express reservations about Muslims and Islam than any other group of Americans.
*New America research found 71% of Republicans surveyed said they don't believe Islam is compatible with US values.
*There are approx 3 million Muslims in this country (of all ages). 11% of the adults are Republican.
* 85% of non-Muslim Americans agreed “diversity is a good thing for America” and always has been.
*Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
*White Christians make up 75% of the Republican Party.

Let me remind my fellow Christians NOT TO invoke the name Jesus Christ when speaking about your hatred toward other religions, other races and other lifestyles.
Do not bloviate on the superiority of Christianity and in the same sentence include your loathing for Islam.
Do not PRETEND to live a Christian life while hating other religions.
AND.........If you're talking Christianity........YOU'D better be walking Christianity.....OR get the hell out of the Christian Church.
 
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OK, I've read through the thread. I see religious reasons to reject Islam, to ban Islam from the US, & apparently a note that God (in the Second Coming) will deal with the Islamic issue when He gets here.

What I don't see here: What are we - the US, Western Civilization in general - supposed to do with Islam in the meantime - while we're waitng for the Second Coming? No one seems to be calling for a war against Islam by the West - although that seems to be point that the argument is trending towards.

Is there a concrete proposal here on what we're supposed to do?
 
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No, they are not close to being the same.

Just ask your Leftist buddy Bill Maher

Maher's an avowed atheist who loves to ridicule religion. Ever see his movie "Religulous"? Religulous (2008) - IMDb

He'll help you ban Islam then, when the laws are passed and legally in place, he'll use those same laws to go after Catholics and, finally Protestants.

Maher and you epitomize what Pastor Martin Niemöller when he wrote this:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.


Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 

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Maher's an avowed atheist who loves to ridicule religion. Ever see his movie "Religulous"? Religulous (2008) - IMDb

He'll help you ban Islam then, when the laws are passed and legally in place, he'll use those same laws to go after Catholics and, finally Protestants.

Maher and you epitomize what Pastor Martin Niemöller when he wrote this:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.


Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
What did Maher say that was wrong?
 
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its insane reading thru this thread tbh.

all these rabid Christians foaming at the mouth with their biased ass ignorant hate of Muslims. ffs.

i have a lot of friends who are Muslim, some of which served this nation in our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. pretty sure that is a lot more sacrifice for this land than the scared little morons screaming hate and ignorance from behind a computer screen here......

you all need to seriously get out more. experience life and people, and stop being so goddamn scared of everyone and everything all the goddamn time.....
 
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OK, I've read through the thread. I see religious reasons to reject Islam, to ban Islam from the US, & apparently a note that God (in the Second Coming) will deal with the Islamic issue when He gets here.

What I don't see here: What are we - the US, Western Civilization in general - supposed to do with Islam in the meantime - while we're waitng for the Second Coming? No one seems to be calling for a war against Islam by the West - although that seems to be point that the argument is trending towards.

Is there a concrete proposal here on what we're supposed to do?
Well that is the $64 question.

A better question is what to do with evil? There was Nazism, then communism, now Islamic fascism, etc. It's like cutting the head off a snake as you watch in horror as the snake grows a new head.

At the end of the day, God is in control and even though these things are troubling to us, at least we should know the truth about them.

What bothers me about the scriptures are references about people being beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast in Revelation. Sounds pretty odd that they would be beheading people, doesn't it. After all, this is the modern world, but there is still a segment of society that continues this practice.
 
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Well that is the $64 question.

A better question is what to do with evil? There was Nazism, then communism, now Islamic fascism, etc. It's like cutting the head off a snake as you watch in horror as the snake grows a new head.

At the end of the day, God is in control and even though these things are troubling to us, at least we should know the truth about them.

What bothers me about the scriptures are references about people being beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast in Revelation. Sounds pretty odd that they would be beheading people, doesn't it. After all, this is the modern world, but there is still a segment of society that continues this practice.
Define "evil".

Personally, I define it as authoritarian assholes who seek to demand others think just like them, believe just like them and to do just like them. No free agency, no free will. Evil is fear-mongering and anti-freedom.
 
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Well that is the $64 question.

A better question is what to do with evil? There was Nazism, then communism, now Islamic fascism, etc. It's like cutting the head off a snake as you watch in horror as the snake grows a new head.

At the end of the day, God is in control and even though these things are troubling to us, at least we should know the truth about them.

What bothers me about the scriptures are references about people being beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast in Revelation. Sounds pretty odd that they would be beheading people, doesn't it. After all, this is the modern world, but there is still a segment of society that continues this practice.
It's current head is called Trump, and it is backed by pretend-Christians in America. Try reading the gospels some time: you might find them interesting.
 
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