Case against Islam

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#81
Define "evil".

Personally, I define it as authoritarian assholes who seek to demand others think just like them, believe just like them and to do just like them. No free agency, no free will. Evil is fear-mongering and anti-freedom.
Well that is the great about such things as socialism and Sharia law, they are such a great ideas that they are mandatory for all.

As for defining evil, even hardened secular humanists refer to such men as the socialist Hitler as demonic. So I don't think anyone questions the existence of evil, they just debate the precise meaning is all.
 
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#82
Well that is the great about such things as socialism and Sharia law, they are such a great ideas that they are mandatory for all.

As for defining evil, even hardened secular humanists refer to such men as the socialist Hitler as demonic. So I don't think anyone questions the existence of evil, they just debate the precise meaning is all.
The socialist Hitler, as a figment of your drugged-up imagination, need hardly concern us: he is just an extreme form of everyday capitalism, as you know. That is, of course, the nature of contemporary evil.
 
May 2018
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#83
Well that is the great about such things as socialism and Sharia law, they are such a great ideas that they are mandatory for all.

As for defining evil, even hardened secular humanists refer to such men as the socialist Hitler as demonic. So I don't think anyone questions the existence of evil, they just debate the precise meaning is all.
Capitalism is optional in the US? Do tell. How does that work, exactly?
 
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#84
It's more a matter of simply fear-mongering and hating a group of people because of their religion, not a specific comment. You know, like @Organic intelligence often does.
I watched it, as I'm sure you did. I can't counter any point he made.

To reiterate something I wrote earlier: Christians have to pervert the Gospel and NT to justify killing the infidel or their enemies. Muslims don't face the same with the Koran. And more, Jesus and Mohammed are indeed polar opposites.

Significant minorities of Muslims support terrorism. That's just a fact.

The failure to treat individuals as individuals is always indefensible, but acknowledging reality always is advisable.
 
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#85
OK, I've read through the thread. I see religious reasons to reject Islam, to ban Islam from the US, & apparently a note that God (in the Second Coming) will deal with the Islamic issue when He gets here.

What I don't see here: What are we - the US, Western Civilization in general - supposed to do with Islam in the meantime - while we're waitng for the Second Coming? No one seems to be calling for a war against Islam by the West - although that seems to be point that the argument is trending towards.

Is there a concrete proposal here on what we're supposed to do?
What is your suggestion?
 
Nov 2013
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#86
Well that is the great about such things as socialism and Sharia law, they are such a great ideas that they are mandatory for all.

As for defining evil, even hardened secular humanists refer to such men as the socialist Hitler as demonic. So I don't think anyone questions the existence of evil, they just debate the precise meaning is all.
I like the phrase hardened secular humanists - is that case hardening? Was Hitler a socialist? He doesn't seem to fit the criteria, as far as I can tell.

Would a secular humanist refer to Hitler as demonic? I don't think so, hardened or not, a secular humanist wouldn't use the term demonic. Or he/she is something other than a secular humanist.

So, no policy recommendation @ all, then, hm? Then we'll just have to struggle along as best we can. Pity, really.
 
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What is your suggestion?
Over What are we - the US, Western Civilization in general - supposed to do with Islam? We should continue to treat with the Islamic countries & the countries with substantial Islamic populations, of course. We can hardly avoid it - Europe & Japan & China will still need POL, so it's just Realpolitik to treat with Islam. It would be helpful to pry the Wahhabis out of Saudi Arabia - SA has a lot of petrodollars still sloshing around in their treasury, & they bankroll the Wahhabis in order to prop up their hold on the country. Wahhabi is one of the more radical Islamic theologies - & totally unfitted (my opinion) for life in the actual World. & using SA money, the Wahhabis are building mosques, training mullahs, & publishing & fomenting far-gone radical Islamic theology as normal Islamic worldview.

Mainly, we should engage the Islamic countries & encourage their moderates. There was a time when Islamic nationalists looked to the US as a model of how a modern nation should run; we should aim to be that model again. Which means we need to fix our internal politics - we need enlightened government & diplomacy to work long-term with Islam. The ever-revolving & -accelerating doors @ the White House & State Department are not helping us @ all to manage our complicated & long-standing relationships with the Islamic world.
 
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#88
I watched it, as I'm sure you did. I can't counter any point he made.

To reiterate something I wrote earlier: Christians have to pervert the Gospel and NT to justify killing the infidel or their enemies. Muslims don't face the same with the Koran. And more, Jesus and Mohammed are indeed polar opposites.

Significant minorities of Muslims support terrorism. That's just a fact.

The failure to treat individuals as individuals is always indefensible, but acknowledging reality always is advisable.
The Bible says adulterers are to be executed as are anyone breaking most of the laws of the Ten Commandments yet most Christians ignore such "laws". Why do you think Islam is different?

What is your proposed final solution for the Muslim problem?
 
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#89
Well that is the great about such things as socialism and Sharia law, they are such a great ideas that they are mandatory for all.

As for defining evil, even hardened secular humanists refer to such men as the socialist Hitler as demonic. So I don't think anyone questions the existence of evil, they just debate the precise meaning is all.
Translation: I don't have a definition of evil but I know it when I see it.

Got it. You evade as usual or just plain don't know what you are talking about. Thanks for playing.
 
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#90
The Bible says adulterers are to be executed as are anyone breaking most of the laws of the Ten Commandments yet most Christians ignore such "laws". Why do you think Islam is different?

What is your proposed final solution for the Muslim problem?
Exactly. As most Christians happily ignore the teachings of Jesus The Christ, at least so far as tolerance, mercy and charity goes, most Muslims happily ignore the more outrageous and violent of the words of the Phrophet Mohommad.
 
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