Chelsea Manning arrested

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Anti-Wikileaks from the start
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So, that means you were anti-Wikileaks from the start?
That would mean either you totally trust your authorities, or you agree with all the policies that were revealed by Wikileaks regarding the US Government and many other governments, banks and corporations around the world too.
 
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Wikileaks is a curious examination especially on american culture and the influence of the legacy media.

As soon as they did the dump on the DNC you could watch the american left turn on them though they have enjoyed their praises and have been a thorn in the side of the global establishment for some time. Poor Julian (if he is even really still alive) hasn't so much as enjoyed a walk in the park for how long.

But hey, we all know they are really the russians....right...right?
What is legacy media?
 
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What is legacy media?
A sad legacy!
I started a new thread today https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/the-propaganda-multiplier.109915/#post-1313083 based on material reposted at the Greanville Post from the Swiss Propaganda Research Project, which...because of 10,000 character limit, even an edited down version required four posts in succession to get the story out about how three Only Three international news agencies: AP, Reuters and AFP are able to dominate and effectively control the dissemination of news and even most commentary that's reposted, often without attribution by English language newspapers and news outlets around the world, who often package the story as making it appear that it's something that they themselves are working on.
And that is legacy media! Mostly hollowed out, empty shells with no actual reporters and even skeleton staff, that read copy and play video segments in between commercials.

Don't ask me why we have to go all the way to some research project in Switzerland to find people who are tracking and doing analysis about the garbage we are spoonfed as news and information every day, but that's just how it is!
 
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Anti-Wikileaks from the start
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Agreed, but this person saw something wrong and decided we should know about it. Maybe Wikileaks was not the right venue. It clearly wasn't because Chelsea Manning ended up in a military prison. Ed Snowden is a hero too. Both of these people have given up everything to expose the truth.

I'm not surprised Manning did this. If she didn't, nothing she did before would mean anything. Good for her. Quite frankly, if we are the country we claim to be, none of this should have happened to her or Ed Snowden.The fact that it has is a stain on the USA. Both of these people gave up everything for the truth.

We need more people like them, not fewer. Ask yourself if you could've done the same.
 
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I hate "free anybody " campaigns. Most of them are silly.

But in this case, I have to say, "Free Chelsea!" If we don't, then what the hell are we trying to do in the first place? This woman risked everything to tell the truth. And she is still doing it.
 
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Huh? Why is this still going on? We need more whistleblowers like her. Otherwise, we'd never find out the truth.
We need fewer traitors like him. There's no telling how many lives he put in danger by stealing and, through Wikileaks, publishing national security information.
 
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We need fewer traitors like him. There's no telling how many lives he put in danger by stealing and, through Wikileaks, publishing national security information.
It is essential that a government, to be a successful democratic republic, must deceive the electorate sufficiently to elect the leaders that can maintain the military-industrial complex.
 
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It is essential that a government, to be a successful democratic republic, must deceive the electorate sufficiently to elect the leaders that can maintain the military-industrial complex.
It is essential that a nation with many enemies in the world maintain the ability -- with proper internal oversight -- to run clandestine operations. To believe that detailed information on our national security apparatus be open to public scrutiny requires a level of foolish naivete that can be fairly labeled as stupidity. We have agents this very minute risking their lives in hostile countries in an effort to keep us safe. Manning's actions could have easily exposed -- and perhaps did expose -- hundreds of them; he ought still to be in jail for his actions.
 
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It is essential that a nation with many enemies in the world maintain the ability -- with proper internal oversight -- to run clandestine operations. To believe that detailed information on our national security apparatus be open to public scrutiny requires a level of foolish naivete that can be fairly labeled as stupidity. We have agents this very minute risking their lives in hostile countries in an effort to keep us safe. Manning's actions could have easily exposed -- and perhaps did expose -- hundreds of them; he ought still to be in jail for his actions.
One can easily argue that this thinking is a circular and self-rationalizing argument that has been the justification for many government crimes and shameful activities. Secrecy is a fundamental requirement whenever the government is acting in ways that undermine the illusion that the government wants to create.
So often conservatives are willing to trade liberty for illusion of security. Any fabricated "threat" becomes a justification for an opaque government of plutocrats and special interests. "Secrecy" is the reflex excuse and universal rationalization that allows American government to act like a dictatorship.
Consider the Pentagon Papers, the Reynolds Case (United States v. Reynolds - Wikipedia), the "Patriot Act", FISA courts, etc. etc.
 

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