Common Core

Apr 2013
38,084
26,093
La La Land North
#1
So I got interested in common core when it first hit the news and the amazing negative reaction to it. So I spent quite a bit of time looking into it. And I was amazed. I can not see anything wrong with it at all.

What is prompting this thread is that Sabcat and Clara mentioned it in another thread about the right getting involved in education and I didn't want to derail that by bringing up this topic.

One of the better short descriptions of common core on Google's first page is:

In a nutshell, the Common Core State Standards are a set of learning goals currently adopted by 43 states, specifying exactly what students should know and be able to do at each grade level for math and English language arts, from Kindergarten through 12th grade.
There is nothing there defining a curriculum or teaching methods. Just an evaluation of results and student's progression. Why is this bad?

I will make one argument right now. In the other thread I referenced, Sabcat was upset about the mathematics being taught, claiming he didn't understand it.

I ran into that when "new math" was introduced here. The former Miss RNG was having a hard time helping our grandkids with their math homework and asked if I could help. My first look and I was lost. So I Googled it and found that in fact all they were doing was using different words and presenting different approaches. And they were the approaches and terminology that is applicable to the new world of computers and AI. Nothing scary, nothing more difficult, just different. And as I said, that isn't due to common core, that is because that is better math for the 21st century.

But a bane of humanity is the tendency to fear change.

Anyway, what's wrong with common core?
 
Dec 2015
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15,990
Arizona
#2
So I got interested in common core when it first hit the news and the amazing negative reaction to it. So I spent quite a bit of time looking into it. And I was amazed. I can not see anything wrong with it at all.

What is prompting this thread is that Sabcat and Clara mentioned it in another thread about the right getting involved in education and I didn't want to derail that by bringing up this topic.

One of the better short descriptions of common core on Google's first page is:



There is nothing there defining a curriculum or teaching methods. Just an evaluation of results and student's progression. Why is this bad?

I will make one argument right now. In the other thread I referenced, Sabcat was upset about the mathematics being taught, claiming he didn't understand it.

I ran into that when "new math" was introduced here. The former Miss RNG was having a hard time helping our grandkids with their math homework and asked if I could help. My first look and I was lost. So I Googled it and found that in fact all they were doing was using different words and presenting different approaches. And they were the approaches and terminology that is applicable to the new world of computers and AI. Nothing scary, nothing more difficult, just different. And as I said, that isn't due to common core, that is because that is better math for the 21st century.

But a bane of humanity is the tendency to fear change.

Anyway, what's wrong with common core?


There is NOTHING wrong with Common Core. States have had unified standards since 1983 so I have no idea why SUDDENLY they should be relegated to HELL. The idea (and it's a good one) was to establish national performance goals. The standards “movement” grew out of frustration with a fragmented public school system with many levels of bureaucracy — local, state, national — in which expectations for students varied (YUGELY) and too few poor and minority students were achieving success. The thinking among researchers was that if clear and challenging content standards were set, then teachers would teach to those standards and tests would measure if ALL students were meeting the goals. BUT, as you posted, NO ONE LIKES change.

HW BUSH and Bill Clinton met with various governors and education experts in the 90s and it was a bipartisan summit to support our education system and create NATIONAL (not federal) standards or goals for our kids. In 1994 we got something called Educate America. IN 2001 we got No Child Left Behind and in 2009 we got Common Core.
So this should not be a BIG DEAL, but of course POLITICS started kicking in. When Baby Bush implemented NCLB we didn't hear a PEEP from the Right side of the aisle. It was all good....but when Obama introduced Common Core? All hell broke loose and the rancor is still going strong.
 
Jun 2018
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35
United States
#3
So I got interested in common core when it first hit the news and the amazing negative reaction to it. So I spent quite a bit of time looking into it. And I was amazed. I can not see anything wrong with it at all.

What is prompting this thread is that Sabcat and Clara mentioned it in another thread about the right getting involved in education and I didn't want to derail that by bringing up this topic.

One of the better short descriptions of common core on Google's first page is:



There is nothing there defining a curriculum or teaching methods. Just an evaluation of results and student's progression. Why is this bad?

I will make one argument right now. In the other thread I referenced, Sabcat was upset about the mathematics being taught, claiming he didn't understand it.

I ran into that when "new math" was introduced here. The former Miss RNG was having a hard time helping our grandkids with their math homework and asked if I could help. My first look and I was lost. So I Googled it and found that in fact all they were doing was using different words and presenting different approaches. And they were the approaches and terminology that is applicable to the new world of computers and AI. Nothing scary, nothing more difficult, just different. And as I said, that isn't due to common core, that is because that is better math for the 21st century.

But a bane of humanity is the tendency to fear change.

Anyway, what's wrong with common core?
Oh common core is simply amazing. You can take a simple math problems and learn how to make it more complicated than it really is. Look, common core is an absolute disaster and the national test scores are proof of that. The United States used to be the top of the world in education until John Dewey began to militantly turn education into a war against Christianity. Education in America today is a complete joke and everyone in the world knows this. You are fooling yourself if you think common core has any academic value. Education in America today has sunk to the pits of stupidity and students today are learning absolutely nothing at all. They graduate stupid and not even fit for the work force. Most businesses where I am from are in one hell of a dilemma because of common core. They need young and strong energetic people, but they can't find hardly any to fill positions. This is because common core has made students so damn stupid that they cannot handle even working as a dish washer at a restaurant. Most jobs prefer hiring people in my age group which is from 40 to 50. This is because people in this age group still remember how to count and can spell, read and write, and they have a good work ethic. But young people can't hold down jobs because they were not educated enough in school to keep a job. I see this all the time and the only young people capable of holding down a job are conservatives who have family values which instilled a strong work ethic in them.
Rap music and common core are horrible educators and this is seen by so many employers across the nation. I am for a complete dismantling of common core and go back to a system that educates and doesn't indoctrinate students into socialism. Common core is the biggest failure, so much so that we tell common core jokes at work daily. Businesses simply are having too much of a problem with the stupidity of common core graduates. These people will most likely die on the streets before they turn 40. I think its time for a change.
 
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Jun 2019
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NC
#4
So I got interested in common core when it first hit the news and the amazing negative reaction to it. So I spent quite a bit of time looking into it. And I was amazed. I can not see anything wrong with it at all.

What is prompting this thread is that Sabcat and Clara mentioned it in another thread about the right getting involved in education and I didn't want to derail that by bringing up this topic.

One of the better short descriptions of common core on Google's first page is:



There is nothing there defining a curriculum or teaching methods. Just an evaluation of results and student's progression. Why is this bad?

I will make one argument right now. In the other thread I referenced, Sabcat was upset about the mathematics being taught, claiming he didn't understand it.

I ran into that when "new math" was introduced here. The former Miss RNG was having a hard time helping our grandkids with their math homework and asked if I could help. My first look and I was lost. So I Googled it and found that in fact all they were doing was using different words and presenting different approaches. And they were the approaches and terminology that is applicable to the new world of computers and AI. Nothing scary, nothing more difficult, just different. And as I said, that isn't due to common core, that is because that is better math for the 21st century.

But a bane of humanity is the tendency to fear change.

Anyway, what's wrong with common core?
You're exactly correct RNG, I've tried to explain this many times in other threads, you're one of the few that took the time to simply find out. It goes to show how many people follow without ever learning what they're actually talking about. Schools, for the most part, they are given a wide girth on their chosen curriculum and how it is taught is up to the teacher as long they stay within their school's rules or agenda. As far as I can tell it's all propaganda against the left along the lines of "Liberal indoctrination. This is why knowledge is power, one is not lead around by the proverbial nose. Common core is a standard that is all. One I think we should up in order to stay competitive.
 
Dec 2015
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15,990
Arizona
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As we all know, Donald Trump just isn't interested in public education education. Oh sure--as a candidate he had to say SOMETHING so of course like all ignorant people his comments were generally "Common Core--we have to end it." AND his brilliant Sec of Ed had this to say: "Common Core is dead".
These statements are pleasing to the RW because 1) Public Education is a propaganda arm of the liberal left 2) Who needs education 3)Who needs standards and 4) Bah! Teachers and their union thugs!

The truth is that almost half of the states have moved on. The Common Core standards are (for the most part) still in place, but the frenzy is over. Most states are still using some form of Common Core but like No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top it's now "no big deal". AND there's little or no money attached to its implementation.
Standards are still in place. Standardized testing is still in place. Teaching to the test is still in place......so....just as you would expect, our current president has no interest in or anything else to say about a subject he can't relate to.
Education.
 
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May 2018
6,395
4,270
Chicago
#7
As we all know, Donald Trump just isn't interested in public education education. Oh sure--as a candidate he had to say SOMETHING so of course like all ignorant people his comments were generally "Common Core--we have to end it." AND his brilliant Sec of Ed had this to say: "Common Core is dead".
These statements are pleasing to the RW because 1) Public Education is a propaganda arm of the liberal left 2) Who needs education 3)Who needs standards and 4) Bah! Teachers and their union thugs!

The truth is that almost half of the states have moved on. The Common Core standards are (for the most part) still in place, but the frenzy is over. Most states are still using some form of Common Core but like No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top it's now "no big deal". AND there's little or no money attached to its implementation.
Standards are still in place. Standardized testing is still in place. Teaching to the test is still in place......so....just as you would expect, our current president has no interest in or anything else to say about a subject he can't relate to.
Education.
And as we all know, the right is proud to be stupid. George Orwell would be shocked at just how right he was.
 
Mar 2013
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10,699
Middle Tennessee
#9
The REAL issue with common core is that many, if not most, of those on the right THINK it was a federal mandate force fed to the states by Obama.

That it was entirely voluntary is lost on them. ODS clearly on display here.
 
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