Cost of AOC's Green New Deal

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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

So it is estimated that the Green New Deal will cost around $93 trillion. Think of it, the current debt is only a little over $20 trillion, which is more debt collected in the history of mankind.

So I assume the defenders of the Green New Deal, which seems to be everyone in the DNC who has tried to latch on to AOC's popularity by signing on to this policy, will say either that these numbers are way to high, or that we have no choice and that the consequences would be much worse.

So which is it?

Also, how much debt is too much debt? Is there a limit where the country becomes insolvent and folds up?
 
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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

So it is estimated that the Green New Deal will cost around $93 trillion. Think of it, the current debt is only a little over $20 trillion, which is more debt collected in the history of mankind.

So I assume the defenders of the Green New Deal, which seems to be everyone in the DNC who has tried to latch on to AOC's popularity, will say either that these numbers are way to high, or that we have no choice and that the consequences would be much worse.

So which is it?

Also, how much debt is too much debt? Is there a limit where the country becomes insolvent and folds up?
There are aspects of the Green New Deal that we as a nation should strive for. It's an ambitious proposal and one that I think has some interesting tid bits. If you think about it as a contract negotiation, this bill is coming in HIGH and likely expecting to come down as it gets debated and discussed.

But as a collective bill it is one of the most laughably absurd pieces of legislation I've seen.
 
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There are aspects of the Green New Deal that we as a nation should strive for. It's an ambitious proposal and one that I think has some interesting tid bits. If you think about it as a contract negotiation, this bill is coming in HIGH and likely expecting to come down as it gets debated and discussed.

But as a collective bill it is one of the most laughably absurd pieces of legislation I've seen.
So it is essentially just a bill to use for the purposes of demagoguery and not be serious about, right?

I find it hard to laugh at though considering there are only two parties which means the Dims will find themselves in power again at some point and with no real reason to change their tune so long as AOC remains popular.

So how long will they cling to the high school drop out AOC?
 
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1. Much like the president, I feel this bill should be taken seriously, not literally. It's a starting point.

2. Republicans have said for decades they want entitlement reform. They held the House and Senate between 2010 and 2018 and they never got it done. It's not to say Republicans couldn't get it done or that Democrats couldn't get the GND done. It simply means getting legislation passed is hard.

3. My feeling on AOC is the same as Donald Trump. They're popular and politically savy, but that doesn't make them particularly intelligent. My hope is one of two things will happen. Either A. These individuals will continue to learn and gain the necessary intelligence, or B. There are enough smart people in this country who'll recognize this and vote accordingly.

4. AOC graduated from Yorktown High School in 2007 and she graduated cum laude from Boston University. Your statement that she's a high school drop out is false.
 
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1. Much like the president, I feel this bill should be taken seriously, not literally. It's a starting point.

2. Republicans have said for decades they want entitlement reform. They held the House and Senate between 2010 and 2018 and they never got it done. It's not to say Republicans couldn't get it done or that Democrats couldn't get the GND done. It simply means getting legislation passed is hard.

3. My feeling on AOC is the same as Donald Trump. They're popular and politically savy, but that doesn't make them particularly intelligent. My hope is one of two things will happen. Either A. These individuals will continue to learn and gain the necessary intelligence, or B. There are enough smart people in this country who'll recognize this and vote accordingly.

4. AOC graduated from Yorktown High School in 2007 and she graduated cum laude from Boston University. Your statement that she's a high school drop out is false.
She acts like a high school drop out with these sort of proposals. Her original web site contained all the details and the grammar and details were so laughable she quickly took it down within 24 hours but the damage was done as I heard talking heads reading it and laughing their ass off on the radio.

But the stupidity never ends with her. She once said the reason the unemployment rate was so low under Trump was because people were forced to work 2 jobs just to make ends meet. That does not even make sense.

I see no savviness with her other than just being cute, young, a socialist, a woman, and a minority. As such, she is the ideal candidate for the looney left in New York.

As for her good college grades, who can say? It boggle my mind, then again, she is PC and she is cute so maybe that all helped her grades, (wink, wink)
 
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Alex Ocasio-Cortez is such an easy target, isn't she?? All these crazy new-fangled ideas emanating from such a brainless female? Not so fast.
Let's see a show of hands. How many think this GND is a new "thing"? If you raised your hand you would be wrong. The term Green New Deal is reminiscent of FDR's New Deal for a reason. The term showed up in 2007 when a columnist, Thomas Friedman, for the New York Times wrote a book called "Hot, Flat and Crowded". Friedman's ideas were taken up by an upstart politician named Barack Obama in 2008. The Brits picked up the idea about that same time and so did the United Nations, who all referred to the plan as GND. This was the centerpiece of Jill Stein's presidential run in 2016 and Bernie Sanders played it up. Are you with me so far? IN other words--- Many pieces of the GND have been worked on by many people over the years. The constituent ideas — 100 percent clean energy; a just transition to a new, better economy; massive public sector investments — are not new. So why is this SUDDENLY an OMG!!--we've been thunderstruck by AOC??

AND what has the GOP said/done? Yawned. Called AOC stupid.

There are THREE core principals involved in the GND: Decarbonization, Jobs and Justice. This is a 10-year "tiger by the tail" commitment--100% renewable electricity. Naturally, the nay-sayers are already standing in line, ready to say "This will never work." Instead of "How can we help?" "What can WE do?" Pay strict attention to those and don't vote for them. These are the same people who are happy in Mayberry RFD.
Other projects: Decarbonize transportation. Decarbonize buildings, industry, consumption, and the economy.
AOC's Plan includes a federal jobs guarantee and large-scale public investments.
The plan must include a transition. Part of that is workforce training and the job guarantee, part of it is ensuring that all those jobs come with strong labor, environmental, and nondiscrimination standards, part of it is investments in those communities to fund programs like lead remediation, and part of it is making sure that all the investments — that all parts of the GND — follow strong environmental-justice standards.
The Green New Deal, explained

AND the detractors are shouting: HOW YA GONNA PAY FOR IT, Alex??

Alex replies: When Congress funnels trillions to the military or cuts taxes for the wealthy, no one asks how they will pay for it. Pay-for demands seem only to apply to Democrats, and only for social spending. Climate change impacts are going to cost more than climate mitigation anyway. AND there are options for raising revenue like a carbon tax and fines/fees for non-compliance.

So go ahead. Laugh till you cry. We've done this before, America. It's not like we've been to the moon or anything, is it?
 
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I'm merely assessing her political career and wonder how she could be so smart according to people such as yourself.

Now from what I hear, she made a million dollar deal with Netflix about making her life into a movie, so perhaps she is just as hypocritical about attacking the rich as the rest of the Dems are and don't believe all this "attacking the rich" nonsense.
 
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Alex Ocasio-Cortez is such an easy target, isn't she?? All these crazy new-fangled ideas emanating from such a brainless female? Not so fast.
Let's see a show of hands. How many think this GND is a new "thing"? If you raised your hand you would be wrong. The term Green New Deal is reminiscent of FDR's New Deal for a reason. The term showed up in 2007 when a columnist, Thomas Friedman, for the New York Times wrote a book called "Hot, Flat and Crowded". Friedman's ideas were taken up by an upstart politician named Barack Obama in 2008. The Brits picked up the idea about that same time and so did the United Nations, who all referred to the plan as GND. This was the centerpiece of Jill Stein's presidential run in 2016 and Bernie Sanders played it up. Are you with me so far? IN other words--- Many pieces of the GND have been worked on by many people over the years. The constituent ideas — 100 percent clean energy; a just transition to a new, better economy; massive public sector investments — are not new. So why is this SUDDENLY an OMG!!--we've been thunderstruck by AOC??

AND what has the GOP said/done? Yawned. Called AOC stupid.

There are THREE core principals involved in the GND: Decarbonization, Jobs and Justice. This is a 10-year "tiger by the tail" commitment--100% renewable electricity. Naturally, the nay-sayers are already standing in line, ready to say "This will never work." Instead of "How can we help?" "What can WE do?" Pay strict attention to those and don't vote for them. These are the same people who are happy in Mayberry RFD.
Other projects: Decarbonize transportation. Decarbonize buildings, industry, consumption, and the economy.
AOC's Plan includes a federal jobs guarantee and large-scale public investments.
The plan must include a transition. Part of that is workforce training and the job guarantee, part of it is ensuring that all those jobs come with strong labor, environmental, and nondiscrimination standards, part of it is investments in those communities to fund programs like lead remediation, and part of it is making sure that all the investments — that all parts of the GND — follow strong environmental-justice standards.
The Green New Deal, explained

AND the detractors are shouting: HOW YA GONNA PAY FOR IT, Alex??

Alex replies: When Congress funnels trillions to the military or cuts taxes for the wealthy, no one asks how they will pay for it. Pay-for demands seem only to apply to Democrats, and only for social spending. Climate change impacts are going to cost more than climate mitigation anyway. AND there are options for raising revenue like a carbon tax and fines/fees for non-compliance.

So go ahead. Laugh till you cry. We've done this before, America. It's not like we've been to the moon or anything, is it?
We are not talking about a few trillion dollars here, not even $5 billion dollars that the Dims are in a fight to the death to stop from being paid to fund building a wall.

No.

We are talking about $90 trillion some dollars here.

So I will ask you, is the price tag accurate or do you offer another?

And if it is another, who will say? AOC won't.

Don't you think questions like this are important or does it really not matter how far in debt the US goes? Was Dick Cheney right? Do deficits really not matter?

If not, why do any of us work for a living? Pay off my mortgage and give me free cash to live on and I'll give you my car and never fly on a plane. I'll even give up red meat and it will all be a whole lot cheaper.
 
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How can this "Green New Deal" not include nuclear power investment?

Does anyone here think the US can be fossil fuel free with just wind and solar?

From a scientific viewpoint, that is just plain silly unless we are going to use a whole lot less energy than we do now.
 
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