Democratic Socialism Is the Scenic Route to Serfdom

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No, your straw-man is circular. A nation can easily screw-up with a capitalist system absent respect for rights and the rule of law.

Back to the point, there are some here who think because miserable work conditions at one time existed under capitalism that capitalism is the cause of miserable working conditions. This is folly, IMO, and displays a willful ignorance of recorded human history. Join them if you like, but I won't be.
Capitalism demand NO laws. It is not a system that benefits in purest form from ANY law. The "free market" is a market without regulation. You have really painted yourself into a corner on this one, NatMorton. The only question is whether you are clever enough to understand your fallacy and learn.

What exactly is the "right" that workers have against exploitation? Are you now going to argue that capitalism demands government oversight and control of the means of production? How absurd can you be?
 
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It might help if you were more specific. Insinuating that some of our staunchest allies in Scandinavia and Europe are on the road to dictatorship, serfdom and genocide because of their mixed economies is a bit hyperbolic and alarmist to be most generous.
Where's the fun in that?
 
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Capitalism demand NO laws. It is not a system that benefits in purest form from ANY law. The "free market" is a market without regulation. You have really painted yourself into a corner on this one, NatMorton. The only question is whether you are clever enough to understand your fallacy and learn.

What exactly is the "right" that workers have against exploitation? Are you now going to argue that capitalism demands government oversight and control of the means of production? How absurd can you be?
Sorry, build your own straw-men.

No one here is advocating for capitalism sans democracy, the rule of law, and protection for human rights. You can pimp this nonsense all you like, but it's all in your head.
 
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Whenever you catch me saying the United States is flawless, you can bring this up. In this conversation, however, your cite serves no purpose.
On the contrary, it abundantly illustrates that a dictatorial capitalist state can be just as corrupt and brutal as the Marxist ones, if not more so. And we all helped pay for it to fight democratic socialism.
 
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Nov 2018
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Sorry, build your own straw-men.

No one here is advocating for capitalism sans democracy, the rule of law, and protection for human rights. You can pimp this nonsense all you like, but it's all in your head.
So you are not clever enough to learn from your mistakes.
You have opposed regulation of capitalism because it is naturally self-correcting. Then you advocate for protection of human rights by the intervention of government, which you have explained is anathema to capitalism. So you want social-value capitalism, apparently. I think we can call that socialism and close the discussion.
You continue to avoid understanding that Marxism arose as a consequence of capitalism in European countries because capitalism resulted in economic subjugation. Capitalism existed long before socialism and was the primary cause of economic hardship for millennia. Add whatever political system you want, whether democracy, republic, monarchy, dictatorship or plutocracy, and you still have the inherent problems that come from an economic system that places personal profit over social benefit.
 
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Then you advocate for protection of human rights by the intervention of government, which you have explained is anathema to capitalism
You are hopeless, Biff. Don't think I'll be replying to many of your posts going forward. You're just not a reality-based kind of guy.