Democratic Socialism Is the Scenic Route to Serfdom

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Whether the left out text was without meaningful context is a value judgement which I don't think you should have the power to make over the member posting the message.
I think you're trying to micro-manage members of the community too much. Assume good intent, and ding us when you see we've erred.
 
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There is nothing a reasonable person would find offensive in that post, and the entire point of this forum is to argue policy. If these things offend you then perhaps it's you who is in the wrong place.

And yes, it's more than possible. When unemployment goes up it stands to reason there are more people willing to work for less . That is the effect of supply on price. When there's more of something in a market, it generally brings down the price.

I think in this instance you do not understand cause and effect because of the statement "Wages are low when the industry must have cheap labor to operate." From this one can reasonably infer you think wages are low because industry "must have cheap labor," i.e. it is their need for cheap labor is the cause, and it's not for the reasons I gave you.

Lastly, speak to me anyway you like. I make no demands of that kind on you, though I reserve the right to reply in any tone I think appropriate.
I will quote your offensive statement and explain the important difference between the offensive post and how you reworded your argument.

You're having trouble with cause and effect here.
When you begin with "You're" you are talking about the person, not the subject.

In this post, you did it right by quoting what I said and making your argument and explaining why you thought that those words are a failure to understand cause and effect. Now I can argue the problem is your interpretation of what I said, not my failure to understand cause and effect.

"Wages are low when the industry must have cheap labor to operate." That statement is not a failure to understand cause and effect. It is a statement of reality. Farm labors were paid notoriously low wages. Care provides get very low pay and no benefits and they can not buy homes and set aside money for retirement. Meatpacking plants, and sweatshops are other places where people are paid poorly and do not get benefits. Those industries depend on cheap labor.

All economies are built on cheap labor, and the horrors of child labor in India and China, were once the horrors of child labor in Britian and the US. Slaves also were very important to our nation's economic growth. It takes money to make money and before our industrial nations gained wealth, and machines began replacing human laborers, the conditions of the laboring class was terrible. They lived in ignorance and poverty and people are still fighting to get out of poverty because many jobs pay very poorly and their wages do not support families, nor mean owning a home, and putting money aside for retirement, and they are even dying because of the conditions of poverty despite working full time. This is especially true for people who can not afford medical care. Their children are disadvantaged and few of them will escape poverty. This is what makes the wealthy wealthy. I saw the problem from the point of view of a business owner. When I had to hire help, I worked for less than minimum wage. It was a recession and there was too much competition to charge more for services. "Wages are low when the industry must have cheap labor to operate." It is a fact of life.
 
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I am willing to "get informed." What I am not willing to do is take orders from you.

As for ignorance, on economic issues you're displaying far more of it here than just about any of us. You've already demonstrated very little awareness of how the labor market works and of how wealth is created. You've also proven to be quite thin skinned, and especially so for someone who so freely criticizes others.

If you care, my recommendation to you is to stick to what you know and what you think you can prove. Also remain open to the possibility you might be wrong about something and don't assume any difference of opinion is rooted in a personal failing. In short, worry less about others and more about the strength of your own ideas.
I regret what I said yesterday and today I am returning to not reading offensive posts to avoid the desire to return insult for insult. You got one post right and hopefully, you get more post right.
 
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When you begin with "You're" you are talking about the person, not the subject.
Correct, because the person is making a mistake. When you think someone is wrong, do you say "you're wrong?" Of course you do. I can also point more than few posts here where you have said or implied that others, including me, are ignorant. That is no less "about the person" than the statement I made. You are engaging in hypocrisy here, demanding treatment that you do not give to others.

Again, if you're not prepared to be called out for an error in judgement or logic, then you're most definitely in the wrong place.