Discussing WWI & WWII

Dec 2014
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Yah, he was a driven man - so were his parents. I think he was outraged by the British machinations in the Middle East, carving up the former Ottoman Empire like so much roast beef. (As I recall, Lawrence refused a knighthood - Order of the British Empire - in consequence. It wasn't a happy life, by any means. As a youngster, Lawrence had dreams of achieving renown & knighthood.)
A tragic story, died young in a motorcycle accident.
 
Nov 2013
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#52
The more the merrier

Sweet Jesus!!!! Intelligent people wanting to talk about actual history???
I'm amazed and greatly pleased.
Please do go on. I'll even promise to tone down my fucking language in the spirit of civil discourse.
Sure, thanks, & please join in. That was the original point to bulletin boards & fora, wasn't it? That's why I joined up.
 
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Sep 2015
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#53
On the runup to WWI? The long shadow : the legacies of the Great War in the twentieth century / David Reynolds, 1952- , c2014, W. W. Norton & Company, 940.3 REYN 20014. A good primer.
The world remade : America in World War I / G.J. Meyer, 1940- , c2016, Bantam Books, 940.373 MEYE.

Middle East: Lawrence in Arabia : war, deceit, imperial folly and the making of the modern Middle East / Scott Anderson 1959 - . 940.3 ANDE 2013, Doubleday
Notes on a century : reflections of a Middle East historian / Bernard Lewis, 1916- ; with Buntzie Ellis Churchill, c2012, Viking, 956.015 LEWI.
Desert queen : the extraordinary life of Gertrude Bell, adventurer, adviser to kings, ally of Lawrence of Arabia / Janet Wallach, c1996, Anchor Books, 956.02 Wall

There are lots of books & documentaries & articles that are directly about the topics, & even more that mention them along the way. This is a fair start, especially the first on WWI. & the Lawrence of Arabia explains a lot, & gives a lot of background info.

Psychiatry isn't my field, I'm afraid.

The tensions in Europe pre-WWI? It had been a long peace, & the countries were grabbing (or still struggling) for Africa, Asia, SE Asia, the Caribbean. Czarist Russia was falling apart, the Ottoman Empire was on its last legs - & everybody was scrambling for advantage (see Sykes-Picot, the agreement between UK & France carving up the Middle East, with Russian support) Yes, Germany was trying to coopt Islam in its political/economic struggle with UK - but the forces they were trying to recruit were hard to control, & easily spun out onto their own trajectories.

WWI & Middle East are linked - but both are big topics. You might do better to look @ generalist books first, & see if there's a particular area that holds your interest.
David Massey's Dreadnought is also an excellent read on the lead-up to WWI..
 
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Trying to bracket

David Massey's Dreadnought is also an excellent read on the lead-up to WWI..
Hmm. I find Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the Coming of the Great War (1991) is a book by Robert K. Massie on the growing European tension in decades before World War I, ...

Is this the one? It sounds interesting.
 
Sep 2015
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Hmm. I find Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the Coming of the Great War (1991) is a book by Robert K. Massie on the growing European tension in decades before World War I, ...

Is this the one? It sounds interesting.
Yes..I read it 3 times....He also wrote Castles of Steel which was about the Naval build-up and naval operations in WWI....
 
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Something to look forward to

Yes..I read it 3 times....He also wrote Castles of Steel which was about the Naval build-up and naval operations in WWI....
Great, our library has his two on WWI, plus three on Russia. I'll certainly take a look @ the two on WWI.
 
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One is the lonliest number?

One of the recurring questions in a republic:

"In fact, information from the 1940 Census was secretly used in one of the worst violations of constitutional rights in U.S. history: the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.

"In papers presented in 2000 and 2007, historian Margo J. Anderson of the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee and statistician William Seltzer of Fordham University found evidence that census officials cooperated with the government, providing data to target Japanese Americans."

From https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ernment-camps-in-wwii/?utm_term=.3fc091f63937

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

Can the citizens/voters of a republic rise beyond the heated issues of the day? It's an excellent question, & goes to the heart of many of our more incandescent political/policy issues. This particular question is warming up again, as citizenship information is proposed to be requested in the next census.
 
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Apr 2015
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#58
Germany attempted to build a railroad to Baghdad before the first world war and I am very sure a major cause of that war was Britain prevented Germany from building that railroad. World history would be totally different if Germany had been able to build that railroad. The value of oil was known before the invention of gas-fueled vehicles and so did people know where to get it.The world war may not have happened if Britain did not stand in the way of Germany's economic growth. It is also unlikely it would have lost either world war if it had the railroad to Baghdad.
It was instability in the Balkans and German fears of Russia's attempts to modernise and expand it's armed forces which caused the war, it had nothing to do with either the railroad or oil.
 
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Sep 2015
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It was instability in the Balkans and German fears of Russia's attempts to modernise and expand it's armed forces which caused the war, it had nothing to do with either the railroad or oil.
Yeah, that was a gross misunderstanding of what was happening between the powers in Europe. but be careful trying to talk any sense with that one.....

for real.
 
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Great, our library has his two on WWI, plus three on Russia. I'll certainly take a look @ the two on WWI.
I think I need to make a point of visiting my local library today.

This looks like a good book "Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the Coming of the Great War".
 

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