Do most Americans still believe in the Constitution anymore?

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Would Hamilton on the general welfare clause be specific enough?

... The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted within narrower limits than the "General Welfare" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition. ...

Also, another question. Which came first, the "General Welfare" clause or the 9th and 10th amendments?
 
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Would Hamilton on the general welfare clause be specific enough?

... The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted within narrower limits than the "General Welfare" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition. ...

I know that anti-socilists hate that phrase and claim the Preamble has no significance, but it really does outline values.
What can be more central to the function of a functioning government than the "general welfare" of the governed, regardless of economic or political system?
Is there ANY government that is committed to the "general wretchedness" of the governed? Even an authortarian dictorship will not last if there is destruction of the governed.
 
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It doesn't matter. The Constitution can only be taken in its entirety.
Of course it matters. If what you say is true, then slavery is still legal, senators don't need to be elected, and the sale of intoxicating beverages is illegal.

Of course, none of those things are true because later amendments take precedent over previously ratified Constitutional law. The 9th and 10th call for enumerated powers and authorities. Thus your statement -- or even Hamilton's -- about an open-ended interpretation of "general welfare" is moot.
 
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Of course it matters. If what you say is true, then slavery is still legal, senators don't need to be elected, and the sale of intoxicating beverages is illegal.

Of course, none of those things are true because later amendments take precedent over previously ratified Constitutional law. The 9th and 10th call for enumerated powers and authorities. Thus your statement -- or even Hamilton's -- about an open-ended interpretation of "general welfare" is moot.
You can't be this dense. By taken in its entirety I'm referring to the current Constitution and only the current Constitution. lol
 
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I know that anti-socilists hate that phrase and claim the Preamble has no significance, but it really does outline values.
What can be more central to the function of a functioning government than the "general welfare" of the governed, regardless of economic or political system?
Is there ANY government that is committed to the "general wretchedness" of the governed? Even an authortarian dictorship will not last if there is destruction of the governed.
See, Helvering v. Davis - Wikipedia for unique context.
 
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Right wingers seriously need to STFU about the constitution. You people only think the 2nd amendment is the constitution., Same people that want to violate teh constitution to allow religious people to discriminate, want to ban gay marriage, want to tell women what they can and can't do with their body, etc.

And you people also ignroe the "well regulated" aspect of the constitution. And as has been said a million times to dishonest, idiotic right wingers is that 2nd amendment does not give carte blanche to own any type of gun and bring guns anywhere you want.