El Paso shooter confesses to targeting Mexicans

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It won't be very long before someone attacks one of those large caravans of illegal alien invaders moving through Mexico. What will happen then?
That case would be in the hands of the Mexican authorities. I would expect them to investigate & bring the perps to justice.

Do you think something different should happen, if that scenario were to take place?
 
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Dude, If someone went to Chinatown and in city, I'm sure only a few of the victims would be Chinese nationals, and the remainder would be Americans. The same for any and all communities that are gathering grounds for people that share an ethnic bond, whatever the nationality.
Dude, eight of the victims were Mexicans. The other victims were Americans, who may or may not have been of Hispanic ethnicity. People who of Hispanic ethnicity that are American citizens are Americans, they are not Mexicans. Hispanics in America have been Americans since 1848, they are not Mexicans. Black people have been Americans since July 9, 1868. They are not Africans.
 
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Dude, eight of the victims were Mexicans. The other victims were Americans, who may or may not have been of Hispanic ethnicity. People who of Hispanic ethnicity that are American citizens are Americans, they are not Mexicans. Hispanics in America have been Americans since 1848, they are not Mexicans. Black people have been Americans since July 9, 1868. They are not Africans.
I said EXACTLY what you are trying to lecture about now in your reply. Your point about only eight Mexicans being victims is irrelevant, as the shooter went to a Hispanic target rich area and deliberately sought out what he perceived to be Mexicans - without ANY WAY of knowing what their national citizenships are.

If someone shot up a Irish pub in Texas, are you going to be a genius and point out that only so many victims were Irish?

And Blacks are referred to as African-Americans, correct? If some White Nationalist shot up a Soul Food BBQ joint, do you actually think he went there looking for visitors from Africa? Learn some history before typing nonsense. There were Black Americans well before 1868. Blacks were over-represented at the Battle of Lexington and Concord when the Redcoats came to take our guns, as well as the Battle of Bunker Hill. The first American to die fighting the British was Black. Do not deny the Blacks their rightful place in American history.
 
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If they cross the border anywhere but a port of entry, sneaking in, they are illegally in the country. When they're caught, or as they usually do just find a Border agent and surrender their request for asylum is registered. But they are still illegals.
 
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My issue with the death penalty is at least two-fold:
a) The death penalty is applied disproportionately towards minorities. Justice needs to be blind towards race.
b) It's cheaper to put someone in prison for life than to execute somebody.

Beyond that, is there a point to this thread?

BTW, about 40% of Dems approve of the death penalty (in general)
 
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Do you have a serious reading comprehension issue or do you like to argue for the sake of trying to argue? I said EXACTLY what you are trying to lecture about now in your reply. You point about only eight Mexicans being victims was stupid, as he shooter went to a Hispanic target rich area and deliberately sought out what he perceived to be Mexicans - without ANY WAY of knowing what their national citizenship are.

If someone shot up a Irish pub in Texas, are you going to be a genius and point out that one so many victims were Irish?

And Blacks are referred to as African-Americans, correct? If some White Nationalist shot up a Soul Food BBQ joint, do you actually think he went there looking for visitors from Africa? Learn some history before typing nonsense. There were Black Americans well before 1868. Blacks were over-represented at the Battle of Lexington and Concord when the Redcoats came to take our guns, as well as the Battle of Bunker Hill. The first American to die fighting the British was Black. Do not deny the Blacks their rightful place in American history.
I am 99.9999999999999999999999999% certain that there were no black Americans before July 9, 1868. That is because blacks could not become American citizens. They became Americans with the adoption of the 14th Amendment, just like Mexicans in the territories Mexico lost in the Mexican American War became American citizens by treaty.

The blacks that fought on the side of the colonists in the Revolutionary War were fighting to remain slaves. If some were free they were still not American citizens and had no citizenship rights.

The point is that Congress can grant full citizenship to aliens with the stroke of a pen. If it wanted to, it could grant full and immediate citizenship to all aliens that set foot in America and asked for it. That should end the immigration issue.

The bottom line is that Hispanics of Mexican ethnicity should not be called Mexicans. They are Americans. Maybe they can adopt a nickname of some sort, like American Second Class. Black people can be called American Third Class. And Chinese can be called American Forth Class and so on down the line. After all, that is their group rank in becoming Americans.
 

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I am 99.9999999999999999999999999% certain that there were no black Americans before July 9, 1868. That is because blacks could not become American citizens. They became Americans with the adoption of the 14th Amendment, just like Mexicans in the territories Mexico lost in the Mexican American War became American citizens by treaty.

The blacks that fought on the side of the colonists in the Revolutionary War were fighting to remain slaves. If some were free they were still not American citizens and had no citizenship rights.

The point is that Congress can grant full citizenship to aliens with the stroke of a pen. If it wanted to, it could grant full and immediate citizenship to all aliens that set foot in America and asked for it. That should end the immigration issue.

The bottom line is that Hispanics of Mexican ethnicity should not be called Mexicans. They are Americans. Maybe they can adopt a nickname of some sort, like American Second Class. Black people can be called American Third Class. And Chinese can be called American Forth Class and so on down the line. After all, that is their group rank in becoming Americans.
You're confused between the rights of Black Americans and the reality of Black Americans being in existence since 1526.

For a lack of a better way to say it, you're ignorant of history, and most ignorant to claim that Blacks fought on the American side to remain slaves. Just how stupid do you think people are to believe that tripe, and how in hell do you thinks people are stupid enough for you to push the theory that Blacks fought in ARW to remain in captivity?

Again, IT IS YOU that made an issue of threading needles. The shooter went after Hispanics, and was merely using the word "Mexicans" as a catchall term for Hispanics. Did you think he tried to avoid other Central Americans? Or those that have been naturalized or born here? GOT THAT, EINSTEIN?. Until you come up with a plausible method of how a common hater could identify the national citizenship of his intended targets, you are blowing noting but hot flatulence. Drop the shit with claiming only eight victims were Mexicans. because it makes you sound like a fool.

Do you actually ever read what you type and reflect on the fact that there are those that will not allow you to revise history or even actual facts to current affairs to your image?
 
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You're confused between the rights of Black Americans and the reality of Black Americans being in existence since 1526.

For a lack of a better way to say it, you're ignorant of history, and most ignorant to claim that Blacks fought on the American side to remain slaves. Just how stupid do you think people are to believe that tripe, and how in hell do you thinks people are stupid enough for you to push the theory that Blacks fought in ARW to remain in captivity?

Again, IT IS YOU that made an issue of threading needles. The shooter went after Hispanics, and was merely using the word "Mexicans" as a catchall term for Hispanics. Did you think he tried to avoid other Central Americans? Or those that have been naturalized or born here? GOT THAT, EINSTEIN?. Until you come up with a plausible method of how a common hater could identify the national citizenship of his intended targets, you are blowing noting but hot flatulence. Drop the shit with claiming only eight victims were Mexicans. because it makes you sound like a fool.

Do you actually ever read what you type and reflect on the fact that there are those that will not allow you to revise history or even actual facts to current affairs to your image?
Here is an article that might interest you. Some slaves did gain freedom for their war effort but in the end, they never became citizens and all of the others were stuck in slavery.

How do you like this paragraph? =

Although the Southern states were reluctant to recruit enslaved African Americans for the army, they had no objections to using free and enslaved blacks as pilots and able-bodied seaman. In Virginia alone, as many as 150 black men, many of them slaves, served in the state navy. After the war, the legislature granted several of these men their freedom as a reward for faithful service.
African Americans and the American Revolution

So, several out of 150. I'll bet the others were happy cotton pickers till the day they died in chains.
 
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Here is an article that might interest you. Some slaves did gain freedom for their war effort but in the end, they never became citizens and all of the others were stuck in slavery.

How do you like this paragraph? =

Although the Southern states were reluctant to recruit enslaved African Americans for the army, they had no objections to using free and enslaved blacks as pilots and able-bodied seaman. In Virginia alone, as many as 150 black men, many of them slaves, served in the state navy. After the war, the legislature granted several of these men their freedom as a reward for faithful service.
African Americans and the American Revolution

So, several out of 150. I'll bet the others were happy cotton pickers till the day they died in chains.
Very few slaves had the right skills to pick cotton @ a rapid pace - & were prized by slave owners & plantation overseers. See

The half has never been told : slavery and the making of American capitalism / Edward E. Baptist, c2014, Basic Books.

Subjects

  • Slavery -- United States -- History.
  • Slavery -- Economic aspects -- United States -- History.
  • African Americans -- Social conditions -- History.
Summary

  • Historian Edward Baptist reveals how the expansion of slavery in the first eight decades after American independence drove the evolution and modernization of the United States.
Length

  • xxvii, 498 pages : index, chapter notes


An excellent economic & political overview. The book also highlights how slaves were trained & forced to reach picking goals that were forever being raised on an individual basis. Poor pickers didn't last long, they were assigned to less demanding work. I doubt that any pickers were happy in their work. The successful ones did get better treatment, & presumably more & better food, perhaps clothing & housing. Still, it was no picnic.