Elizabeth Warren has gone nuts

Dec 2018
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New England
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The MA Senator really has gone over the cliff this week and into the abyss of progressive nitwit-erty.

From a Boston Globe story detailing Warren's sweeping "plan" to overhaul the criminal justice system: "Warren released her plan just days after 2020 Democratic rival Senator Bernie Sanders outlined his proposals on the hot-button campaign issue, setting an ambitious goal of cutting the prison population in half."

Elizabeth Warren releases sweeping plan to overhaul criminal justice system - The Boston Globe (paywall)


Just think about this for a moment. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, someone who fancies herself as Presidential timber and who would be the nation's chief law enforcement officer, seems genuinely to believe that 50% of all those A) whom we convict of crimes beyond a reasonable doubt in our current system and B) whose offences are deemed serious enough to warrant jail time instead ought to be out on the streets.


There's a level of stupidity in her proposal that's just hard to take in fully on a first read.
 
Aug 2019
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#2
The MA Senator really has gone over the cliff this week and into the abyss of progressive nitwit-erty.

From a Boston Globe story detailing Warren's sweeping "plan" to overhaul the criminal justice system: "Warren released her plan just days after 2020 Democratic rival Senator Bernie Sanders outlined his proposals on the hot-button campaign issue, setting an ambitious goal of cutting the prison population in half."

Elizabeth Warren releases sweeping plan to overhaul criminal justice system - The Boston Globe (paywall)


Just think about this for a moment. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, someone who fancies herself as Presidential timber and who would be the nation's chief law enforcement officer, seems genuinely to believe that 50% of all those A) whom we convict of crimes beyond a reasonable doubt in our current system and B) whose offences are deemed serious enough to warrant jail time instead ought to be out on the streets.


There's a level of stupidity in her proposal that's just hard to take in fully on a first read.
And all you can do is say she is nuts and stupid, without any explanation as to why. So who really is being stupid?

Sorry, reality is, our justice system is a disgrace. Disproportionately poor, and not just poor, minorities, who are in prison for really long sentences for minor stuff like drug possession while rich murders, rapist and pedophiles get little to not time.

Or how the poor can't afford good attorneys and they get screwed becasue of that and may be innocent but lose in court. or how about all the people who can't afford bail and have to rot in prison for years while they await their court case? You think someone should rot in jail without being convicted? THere are stories of peopel who were not convicted being killed in prison, when they were never convicted, because they could not afford bail

ANd "jury of peers' can be biased idiots who don't rule on the basis of the fact, but interject their biases and personal opinions into their decisions. Racial bias in juries is definitely a thing, probably adding to the disproportionate amount of minorities in prison.

Anyway, nothing dumb about what she said at all, and you never even provide a single bit of reasoning why it was dumb
 
Nov 2005
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#4
Why is it that some people only seem to look at a propagandic, one-line assessment of an idea?
Or maybe the key word in that is "propagandic"... :rolleyes:

Seriously, you believe that half the nation's prisoners do not belong in jail?
Here is a list of countries by incarceration rates...
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia
United States is way at the top. Why do you think that is? Are other civilized countries just having criminals run amok and killing people in the streets because they don't incarcerate as many people as they should?
Or is it possible that the U.S. incarcerates more than it has to?

Elizabeth Warren’s criminal justice reform plan, explained
Warren, however, does not focus solely on reducing incarceration and pulling back punitive “tough on crime” policies in her proposal, but also emphasizes some ways to combat crime and improve public safety too.

So she includes proposals to cut mandatory minimums and prison sentences in general, but also wants to reform policing to make it far more targeted on the few people at risk for violence — an approach that’s proven to reduce violent crime. She aims to end cash bail but also invest more in mental health and addiction treatment to prevent crises that can lead to crime. She promises to reel back the criminalization of so many aspects of US life (from drugs to homelessness), but also to address the root causes that might lead some people to commit crimes, use drugs, or end up homeless in the first place.

“By spending our budgets not on imprisonment but on community services that lift people up, we’ll decarcerate and make our communities safer,” Warren argues in a Medium post.

There’s evidence for Warren’s central claim, with years of research and states’ experiences with decarceration showing it’s possible to reduce prison populations and see less crime.​
 
Dec 2018
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New England
#5
Why is it that some people only seem to look at a propagandic, one-line assessment of an idea?
Or maybe the key word in that is "propagandic"... :rolleyes:
Um, Warren's stated objective of cutting the prison population in half was, as Post #1 made clear, quoted directly from the Boston Globe. Are you seriously accusing the Globe -- one of the most left-leaning publications in the country -- of being a propaganda instrument of the right?

My point is not about merely reducing the prison population, but the degree to which Warren seeks to do it. She thinks half the nation's prisoners should not be prison. Answer the question, do you?
 
Feb 2019
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nunya
#6
The MA Senator really has gone over the cliff this week and into the abyss of progressive nitwit-erty.

From a Boston Globe story detailing Warren's sweeping "plan" to overhaul the criminal justice system: "Warren released her plan just days after 2020 Democratic rival Senator Bernie Sanders outlined his proposals on the hot-button campaign issue, setting an ambitious goal of cutting the prison population in half."

Elizabeth Warren releases sweeping plan to overhaul criminal justice system - The Boston Globe (paywall)


Just think about this for a moment. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, someone who fancies herself as Presidential timber and who would be the nation's chief law enforcement officer, seems genuinely to believe that 50% of all those A) whom we convict of crimes beyond a reasonable doubt in our current system and B) whose offences are deemed serious enough to warrant jail time instead ought to be out on the streets.


There's a level of stupidity in her proposal that's just hard to take in fully on a first read.
You misunderstand the basic premise of her proposal Nat. She is trying to reduce the amount of violent and non-violent crimes by improving conditions in impoverished areas.

Do you seriously think that anyone wants to just release all criminals out into the streets?
 
Dec 2015
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Arizona
#7
You misunderstand the basic premise of her proposal Nat. She is trying to reduce the amount of violent and non-violent crimes by improving conditions in impoverished areas.

Do you seriously think that anyone wants to just release all criminals out into the streets?
God forbid we should try something unique---some unconventional wisdom because our criminal justice system WORKS SO WELL--NOT.
There’s evidence for Warren’s central claim, with years of research and states’ experiences with decarceration showing it’s possible to reduce prison populations and see less crime. It includes many of the policies that have become mainstays in Democratic criminal justice reform plans. She targets long prison sentences, mandatory minimums, cash bail, and drug policies focused on incarceration over addiction treatment. She argues more broadly against criminalizing homelessness, poverty, and mental health problems.
Warren wants to decriminalize marijuana, which is going to happen sooner or later. Here's a question: Has mass incarceration made America safer? Do you feel safer?
 
Feb 2014
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#8
Why is it that some people only seem to look at a propagandic, one-line assessment of an idea?
Or maybe the key word in that is "propagandic"... :rolleyes:


Here is a list of countries by incarceration rates...
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia
United States is way at the top. Why do you think that is? Are other civilized countries just having criminals run amok and killing people in the streets because they don't incarcerate as many people as they should?
Or is it possible that the U.S. incarcerates more than it has to?

Elizabeth Warren’s criminal justice reform plan, explained
Warren, however, does not focus solely on reducing incarceration and pulling back punitive “tough on crime” policies in her proposal, but also emphasizes some ways to combat crime and improve public safety too.​
So she includes proposals to cut mandatory minimums and prison sentences in general, but also wants to reform policing to make it far more targeted on the few people at risk for violence — an approach that’s proven to reduce violent crime. She aims to end cash bail but also invest more in mental health and addiction treatment to prevent crises that can lead to crime. She promises to reel back the criminalization of so many aspects of US life (from drugs to homelessness), but also to address the root causes that might lead some people to commit crimes, use drugs, or end up homeless in the first place.​
“By spending our budgets not on imprisonment but on community services that lift people up, we’ll decarcerate and make our communities safer,” Warren argues in a Medium post.​
There’s evidence for Warren’s central claim, with years of research and states’ experiences with decarceration showing it’s possible to reduce prison populations and see less crime.​
I think that would be in line with many European countries and that some think the US is still rather barbaric and less civilized than some European countries.
 
Jul 2014
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#10
Seriously, you believe that half the nation's prisoners do not belong in jail?
More that that, we have the highest incarceration rate in the world, higher than any country from any time in history.

Want to guess which country has half the incarceration of the US?
It's Russia, that bastion of Freedom.
We have 4 times the incarceration rate of China....

We have for profit prisons that lobby for laws to put more people in for profit prisons, think about that.